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But what about Ukrainian self determination? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 2 weeks ago by SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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So Ukraine has turned into a shit show with on the one hand Russia and on the other hand the US and EU. It is clear that Ukraine is merely a pawn in their chess game. This is clear to me.

I try to make it clear to my surroundings too but one question keeps coming back to me whenever it comes to peace talks: what about what Ukrainians want? Should they accept a split in their country with Russia seizing captured land?

I noticed that I do not have a clear answer to this and I wanted to see some input from you guys. Peace talks should imo be the goal as it would be the end to a bloody conflict and it would further (even if slightly) reduce risk for a bigger war. But it is also clear that Ukraine is just a pawn in those peace talks and everything will be decided between the US and Russia. Is it realistic to acknowledge Ukrainian interest in this? And if so, to what extent can leftist support said interests?

Thank you in advance for your answers. It might make it easier for me to go against the warmongering that has been going on lately, and to prevent people close to me from falling for it.

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[–] KlargDeThaym@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can't speak for all Ukrainians, obviously, but what I and most of my friends and family want is simple: peace and open borders. I, personally, also want to see the current fascist government and the military hanging.

Ukrainians, en masse, always wanted peace. Zelensky was elected on the peaceful platform, since people were tired of Poroshenko's attempts to trigger a war, but as soon as he was in the office, he did an immediate 180. The issue is, advocating for peace gets you jailed and tortured in Ukraine, so you won't hear much of these voices. What you hear are the rabid dogs of the regime, who feed off the war in one way or the other.

Everyone here is insanely tired. I can't leave my house, because I fear being kidnapped by the recruiter goons. I don't know how much longer I can take, and I'm seriously contemplating suicide at times. I miss my fiancee, who's abroad and can't come here, and I can't go to her. Just let this end, please.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For what it's worth, if you need someone to talk to, I'm always here.

[–] KlargDeThaym@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you. I appreciate it. It's just that... Every word of support has been worn thin over the past three years. At this point all I can do is turn my brain off and pretend that everything is fine, because thinking about it all makes me want to bash my head in.

Still, I appreciate it, comrade.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

I understand that, too. Even words of support are just words.