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Ideally by standing down. Again, they arent in their own nation.
Lets change perspectives here. Lets go back in time to the British colonialist and the native Americans. Are the natives supposed to just do nothing?
The victims ought not be expected to let the perpetrators continue to harm them
Your way of conceptializing this is so childlike as to be useless.
I want the war in Ukraine to end. I want them to negotiate the best and most obvious solution to this conflict for the parties involved. I want the war to end because then people will not be getting killed.
You want NATO to keep supporting Ukraine, to keep Ukraine away from negotiating. You want this, because... i don't know why.
I'm saying the Ukrainians should not be expected to negotiate, given that it is their land being invaded. If Putin doesn't like that, he can pound sand and leave.
If someone invades your house, you wouldn't just given them a room and bath to have them clam down.
So in your mind they should not negotiate and fight to the last Ukrainian because your conception of geopolitics is a home invasion?
I'm saying Ukraine should take their aid and push Russia back, as they are doing quite well. Russia isn't doing too hot there right now.
A couple points:
Ukraine is not doing well even with the combined weight of NATO behind them, despite what cope you might have read on
Even if Russia did suddenly pack it up and leave, there would be an immediate attempted cleansing of ethnic Russians or presumed Russian "collaborators" (anyone they don't like).
If there was an ethnic cleansing attempt of any kind, I would promote the greatest of sanctions against them. I dislike bullies.
This is an example of you justifying Russia's actions.
Ooh sanctions yeah. As we've seen those are highly effective. Jesus, the lib brain is terminal isn't it?
There was an ethnic cleansing attempt going on prior to the Russuan invasion. The Azov battalion was shelling ethnic Russians (who make up the majority of people in the Dnbas and Eastern Ukraine)in the Donbas for the last 8 years.
The city of Kyiv just banned the Russian language
So if the Ukrainians were shown to be persecuting jews, roma, russian-ukrainians or commies you'd be against Ukraine?
Well have I got some news for you
Or he can keep grinding Ukrainians that are poisoning their own soil with mines, cluster ammo and depleted uranium because I assure you Ukraine isn't winning this and even their NATO backers are announcing it now that the "spring counter-offensive" has failed.
I sure am glad that libs are aware that international relations are complex issues that cannot be boiled down to household analogies. It sure would be frustrating if they tried to make this into some simple black/white scenario with good guys and bad guys separated from material reality and historical context