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[–] rekabis@programming.dev 67 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

In the context of Capitalism, sure, Japan is in trouble.

But then again, any system that demands infinite growth within a finite system has a biological parallel… in cancer. Yes, capitalism is economic cancer.

Japan has a bright future in front of it, if it can successfully pioneer an effective degrowth system that prioritizes the lives of people over Paraiste-Class profits.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Outside of capitalism it is hard to function below replacement level because the young people have to take care of the elderly

[–] rekabis@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago

Inside capitalism, people aren’t having children because captialism isn’t giving them the economic capability to do so.

The west’s population boom in the 50s to 80s only occurred because a single wage earner could, with a high school education and a wage just a little over minimum wage, be able to own a decent home, have a non-working SAH spouse, several kids, two cars in the driveway, and still have enough left over for a decent holiday once a year as well as save generously for retirement.

This all got stolen from these latest generations. What 90+% of the population was once capable of achieving is now only (largely) available to less than 20% of GenZ. A large proportion have given up on retirement, home ownership, or children. And this is WITH degrees and extensive career experience.

If you want to solve population crashes, start with income inequality: start taxing the wealthy and bring back a 90+% top tax rate. Get this money back into the hands of people who actually generate that wealth, and families will follow.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Young people would have time to take care of the elderly if they weren't forced to work 60+ hour weeks consistently

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 weeks ago

Kind of adjacent when the person is tying infinite economic growth with population “degrowth”

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago

Oh no, having to spend time with my family oh nooo /s

If rent weren't so damn high and you didn't have such a squeeze on every moment of your life to make as much money too survive, spending time and supporting each other efficiently maybe wouldn't be a problem.

Values are defined by our parents? Is it a caste system? Is extended family more or less efficient? What is the goal: sustainability, B R E E D I N G, vacations, wealth compared to others, power over others, power over ourselves? Etc....

[–] EchoSpire@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No they don't. They just have to adopt a culture of euthanasia. I don't say that to be cruel or indifferent. I assume state assisted programs are in a lot of countries' futures assuming they can stomach it. It's not something I'm advocating for. I just think the rich are cold enough to push it to try to fix the problem.

[–] Echofox@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Japans GDP has been almost flat since the mid 90s, they are not following the west's """infinite""" growth. Not that I'm saying capitalism isn't part of the problem, it absolutely is, just saying it isn't the entire story.

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

everyone keeps repeating that cancer metaphor, but a plague is much more appropriate….

[–] Arehandoro@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

It can, but will it?

[–] IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world -3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Is cancer really cancer if the rest of the body can adapt and grow faster than it? You describe capitalism as a finite system and then heavily imply that we’re near the outer boundary of that system or that all current and future resources are almost depleted.

[–] rekabis@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You describe capitalism as a finite system

No, I did not. Capitalism demands infinite growth. This planet is a finite system

and then heavily imply that we’re near the outer boundary of that system or that all current and future resources are almost depleted.

I don’t imply. I simply state a known fact. Anyone with even a passing exposure to economics and resource extraction would be very familiar with this fact.

For example, 100 years ago, the energy within a barrel of oil could extract an additional 300 barrels of oil from the ground. These days, despite technology that has made the process massively more efficient, we get barely 10 barrels of oil out of the ground for that same amount of energy expended.

These days same goes for almost every other resource you could possibly shake a stick at, from minerals such as steel and copper, over harvested materials such as fish and wood, and all the way down to agriculture, where the topsoil that almost all of our crops depend on will be completely depleted within the next 60 years, and will be depleted in most agricultural regions within the next 20-40.

Capitalism is a cancer, and it’s killing the planet.

[–] Carl@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that our planet's resources are finite is a matter of physics. Capitalism may come up with some innovation or another that adds more lifespan to it, the way that digital spaces and the financial industry have done, or it may have another global war that creates room for a new period of traditional growth at the cost of countless lives, but it will inevitably hit an insurmountable wall.