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I usually post "Russian propaganda", but today Ukrainian propaganda got so fucking ridiculous that I want to post it, I hope you don't mind :)
Ukraine DOES NOT have open borders, I don't think even the most liberal sources will deny that, . But here are several links (first articles from the search results) just in case:
https://www.dw.com/en/how-ukrainian-men-try-to-get-around-the-ban-to-leave-the-country/a-62529639
https://www.dw.com/en/how-ukrainian-men-try-to-get-around-the-ban-to-leave-the-country/a-62529639
Ukraine DOES NOT have " competitive political space", Zelensky banned opposing political parties. Again even liberal medias do not deny that, they merely justify it "bbbbut those are the bad ones!".
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/21/why-did-ukraine-suspend-11-pro-russia-parties
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-law-bans-pro-russia-parties-zelenskiy-signs/31849737.html
Ukraine DOES NOT have "competitive information space", Zelensky tries his best to silence any opposition.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/18/world/europe/ukraine-press-freedom.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/3795160-zelensky-signs-controversial-law-expanding-government-power-to-regulate-media/
And don't get me started on the elections.. Which are of course totally unnecessary because Zelensky is not a dictator and everybody supports him anyway....
You post is basically anti Ukraine. How is this not ""russia propaganda"" and is ""Ukraine propaganda"". Your post history doesn't contain anti russia "propaganda".
Ukraine does have open borders. One exception for military ages males doesn't undo it.
During wartime with russia it makes sense to suspend parties with ties with russia. They are the bad ones because they have ties with russia. Russia disapproved this move basically legitimizing it. The states have done nothing to stop Russia's influence in their political system and now they are acting in Russia's interest.
Ukraine is under martial law. If zelesky "tried his best to silence the opposition" he wouldn't just "sign" a slightly oppressive law (that has already pass from a parliament?).
Don't bother answering with a half nonsensical answer. This reply is in the interest of people reading the comments
USA never had any slavery. One exception for black folks doesn't undo it.
Fuck, that's pure genius.
USA had slavery because USA had slaves.
Ukraine has open borders because anyone can pass except Ukrainian men if military age.
US did not ever have slavery! Because noone was slave there except black people if they were not free.
Some hard hitting facts right there. I betcha you didnt know this.
Since you really need this argument made;
To have slavery requires a minority to be enslaved. Not all us citizens needs to be slaves for the description to apply. To have slavery means to have all free people with an exception of a minority of slaves.
To have open borders requires a majority of people the be free to pass from them. Not all citizens need to be able to pass for the description to apply. To have open borders means to allow all people with an exception of a minority to pass.
This is as far as I will go to debate this stupid argument. Anyone with at least two braincells with understand my position.
I understand your position.
But I think, to have open borders, it needs to be much more than a mere majority that are free to cross the border. "Military aged males" are a huge portion of the population, eyeballing it I'm coming up with 1/5th of the entire country.
If millions of people can't leave, there aren't open borders.
First halve that because you are only talking about exiting. Foreigns can enter and exit. Ukrainians can enter. People who cannot be conscripted can exit (women, too old, too disabled, guardians, single fathers, athletes, students etc). Ukraine is at war. I would say that 100% of people who should be able to pass can pass. The claim that Ukraine "DOES NOT have open borders" is false or grossly misleading.
Wow, your every comment is better than the previous one.
You would be the person saying "I would say that 100% of people who should be free are free" just a small time ago in USA...
You are the best example of why liberals are the most anti-liberty and pro-discrimination people out there.
A one way border isn't exactly open and saying it is is what is grossly misleading.
"Why are you calling this facility a prison? Sure, you cannot leave, but at least you can ENTER!"
Yeah the US clearly has an open southern border. How could you not see that? /s
I'm dumb, i need to clarify this. so for the people that cannot pass, is it open borders or closed borders?
Open borders. Just not for them.
What's so special about 50%? Why not set the bar at 60% or 40%? Or 99% or 1%?
Alright so if I understand this well: Haiti under the French colonial rule did not have slavery during the times when the imported slave population exceeded some limit when compared to the French population there.
I will continue with a hypothetical: if for example more French came on a trip there and the not slaves would become a minority, there would all of a sudden be slavery there. And of course when they would depart from their holidays, Haiti would again gracefully abandon that heinous practice.
I don't even know how to comment that. Liberals are fucked up animals.
^ this is your brain on drugs
If you ban a huge amount of your country from leaving then you don’t have open borders. Simple as that. Banning men from leaving doesn’t make it an open border just because old women can leave.