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German police celebrates International Women’s Day (i.imgur.com)
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[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The truth is somewhere between. That's kind of obvious........

You won't get arrested for critizing Israel. That's not illegal here.

If you shout that Israel should be destroyed or that all Jews should ..., then you might get arrested, but that's not criticism.... You can replace the country or religion with any other... Hate speech is not tolerated in Germany and that's good.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You won't get arrested for critizing Israel. That's not illegal here.

You do run the risk of losing your visa, or getting deported, if you're not a German citizen. And you might get sued for relatively minor things, if the case is connected to palestine solidarity. Also, judges and prosecutors will judge you more harshly, due to the Bundestagsresolution.

Here's an article on the matter

Der Antisemitismusbeauftragte der Bundesregierung fordert härtere Strafen für vermeintlich antisemitische Vorfälle sowie den Einsatz von Sicherheitsbehörden wie dem Verfassungsschutz an Universitäten. Ferner sollten Aussagen wie „From the River to the Sea“ unter Strafe gestellt werden: „Mit Prävention allein kommen wir dem grassierenden Antisemitismus nicht bei.“

If you shout that Israel should be destroyed or that all Jews should ..., then you might get arrested, but that's not criticism.... You can replace the country or religion with any other... Hate speech is not tolerated in Germany and that's good.

My whole point is that criticism of Israel is equated to anisemitism. That's the whole deal behind the ISRHA definition.

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

run the risk

might get sued

In Germany, we say "Hätte, hätte, Fahrradkette"... There is "criticizing a country" and there is "hate speech". It's not the same.

Ferner sollten Aussagen wie „From the River to the Sea“ unter Strafe gestellt werden

Finally something positive... That sentence is very dumb, because we all know that different people (especially Hamas) interpret is very differently. Don't hide behind a sentence that openly invites everyone to misinterpret it!

My whole point is that criticism of Israel is equated to anisemitism. That’s the whole deal behind the ISRHA definition.

I do not agree with that. You saying it does not make it true.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

In Germany, we say "Hätte, hätte, Fahrradkette"... There is "criticizing a country" and there is "hate speech". It's not the same.

I know the phrase and you're using it wrong. Do you think that there weren't examples of that stuff already happening?

Finally something positive... That sentence is very dumb, because we all know that different people (especially Hamas) interpret is very differently. Don't hide behind a sentence that openly invites everyone to misinterpret it!

I don't really get what you're saying. Are you in favor of making the phrase illegal, or not?

I do not agree with that. You saying it does not make it true.

The mere existence of the term "israelbezogener Antisemitismus" proves me right. The IHRA definition is commonly known to equate the two, which is why the Jerusalem declaration exists.

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Do you think that there weren’t examples of that stuff already happening?

There are examples of almost everything. There are even examples of humans pouring gas on humans and setting them on fire. That does not mean that it's normal for our species or that there is a system behind it.

Are you in favor of making the phrase illegal

You got it. A little fine should do it...

israelbezogener Antisemitismus

I don't even know what you are trying to say. Does it mean that one is against jews because of what happened in Gaza?

I'm sorry, but this conversation feels like a never-ending circle. I'm done with it.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

There are examples of almost everything. There are even examples of humans pouring gas on humans and setting them on fire. That does not mean that it's normal for our species or that there is a system behind it.

Your standards for a "Rechtsstaat" seem quite lacking, it seems.

You got it. A little fine should do it...

That still means it's illegal, then.

I don't even know what you are trying to say. Does it mean that one is against jews because of what happened in Gaza?

No. In Germany, you can be called antisemitic for criticizing Israel. They introduced a new category of "antisemitism" where you can be deemed antisemitic while actually not being racist against jews, but rather by questioning the zionist project.

This video explains what I'm talking about