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What separates socialism from state capitalism? (I promise I'm not an anarchist) (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 week ago by King_Simp@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzhou@lemmygrad.ml

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So, in discussions about Gaddafi era Libya, people usually say it was state capitalism, from what I've seen anyway. Thats fair and I think I agree (although if you pointed a gun at me and forced me to define it, the best I could think of would be anti-colonial bonapartism, but idk). However, it does make many wonder what splits socialism from state capitalism. For instance, the soviet union under the NEP is fairly regularly called a period of "state capitalism." Bukharin is also usually labeled a right oppurtunist who was open to the Bourgeois elements of the NEP men. Conversely, China and Vietnam today are said to be "market socialist."

In terms of Gaddafi's Libya, what does make it state capitalist versus socialist? Profit motive? Commodity production?

What about post Krushchev soviet union? Was it state capitalist and social imperialist like maoists say?

I know theres not one concrete answer to this. It's not like there's a communism button you can press to confirm communism (I wish), but I am curious

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[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

If I'm remembering correctly, "state capitalism" was coined to describe what the west developed during the world wars. In order to mobilize their countries to fight, their federal governments took control of their industries to reorganize production for the war effort. Those governments also took greater responsibility for their people to ensure that they were healthy and fit to work/kill.

This kind of societal restructuring is a big step towards developing communism because it's essentially socializing the means of production. If proles could take control of a country like this, it's easy to imagine how they'd use these state controls to direct production toward other projects.