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What separates socialism from state capitalism? (I promise I'm not an anarchist) (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 5 days ago by King_Simp@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzhou@lemmygrad.ml

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So, in discussions about Gaddafi era Libya, people usually say it was state capitalism, from what I've seen anyway. Thats fair and I think I agree (although if you pointed a gun at me and forced me to define it, the best I could think of would be anti-colonial bonapartism, but idk). However, it does make many wonder what splits socialism from state capitalism. For instance, the soviet union under the NEP is fairly regularly called a period of "state capitalism." Bukharin is also usually labeled a right oppurtunist who was open to the Bourgeois elements of the NEP men. Conversely, China and Vietnam today are said to be "market socialist."

In terms of Gaddafi's Libya, what does make it state capitalist versus socialist? Profit motive? Commodity production?

What about post Krushchev soviet union? Was it state capitalist and social imperialist like maoists say?

I know theres not one concrete answer to this. It's not like there's a communism button you can press to confirm communism (I wish), but I am curious

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[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

In a nutshell socialism (at least the early stages) is state capitalism at the service of the proleteriat (Lenin), for more reading:

https://x.com/RodericDay/status/1247950065165111296

Hope that helps.

(If Giddaffi's Lybia was going to engage in scientific socialism in governance it would sooner or later would have to become marxist-leninist. Marxist-Leninism is the science of economic development; in the same way "Einsteinian physics" is just physics, we only have to put a qualifier because mainstream Western economics (which currently hold the most powerful cultural hegemony, though that is slowly ebbing away) is pseudo-scientific. If a Gaddafi's Libya did not make that hypothetical turn then it would have remained under the spell of capital and the bourgoisie: https://redsails.org/why-marxism/)