China should just accept taiwan sovereignty and strengthen economic and political ties with Europe. Doing nothing and winning has been working so well.

[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 13 points 5 days ago (11 children)

Its a bit more complicated, basically the Chinese civil war was interrupted by the second world war and resumed afterwards. One side was the communists and the other side the republic of China. This war was never resolved, the ROC government fled to Taiwan and the communists took over the mainland, declaring the PRC. Until 1991 both the ROC and the PRC claimed to be the sole legitimate representatives of China. Meaning all of China, mainland and Taiwan. Until 1971 Chinas representative in the UN was from the ROC.

So its a bit like the American civil war never ended, and the Confederate government just fled to Florida. From the viewpoint of China Taiwan has been occupied Chinese land since 1949.

[–] lennee@lemm.ee 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yes. But now there is gonna be a big butt (hehe) coming. Taking Taiwan would be immensely damaging to chinas reputation internationally and I do not believe in the whole blood and soil thing so if the taiwanese want to be independent I support them. So while you are right and historically there is much more to it I believe it would be very beneficial for china to just roll with it and use a western backed taiwan and hong kong to their advantage. We are all seeing how damaging similar rhetoric is to the russian people and even the americans right now. If any country takes any land by force it wont have friends on the international stage and reliable trading partners which china massively profits from.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

That would be the smart thing to do, sure. The problem is that narcissists and megalomaniacs are reckless and dangerous.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

While this may have been true decades ago. It really isn't anymore.

Israel is doing very well on the world stage, given it's destruction of Gaza...

Russia's installation of a puppet leader in the US could turn its outlook around in the next three or four years.

I have no doubt that China is looking at its own success with destroying the autonomy of Hong Kong and thinking the time is right to take over Taiwan...

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

People hate Israel. They see Israel as being one of the greatest evils of our time.

People also hate Russia for invading Ukraine.

If China invades Taiwan then they will lose all the goodwill they have worked so hard to build over the last 20 years.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

"People" hate them and not even most of them, many are more worried about what is going on in their own contries with growing hardline facism). Most goverments, are perfectly fine with still doing business with Isreal. Russia is in a harder place, but Putin just scored a HUGE coup with getting Trump elected...

To add about China, the ruling elite consider Taiwan's exsistance a challenge and "black eye" to thier rule of China and its "Power". Old hatreds die hard. China is looking at the current world stage and thinking the hit they take would be acceptable. And TBH with current world politics, now is about the best time for them to take over Taiwan. Trump isn't going to do shit to stop them. And Europe is to occupied with Ukraine-Russia to do anything...

Last edit: To be clear I HATE Isreal's goverment, Russia, and China's possible agenda. I'm just trying to look at the situation dispassionately.

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