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Setting aside Capitalism vs. Communism (or maybe I just think I am), this structure vs. that. Why is it that there aren't really huge lists of alternatives? Where are the people who are imagining new government structures?

Like electing citizens to office at random, like we do with jury duty (forget the word for it). Or totally different arrangements of legislatures. Or even a pure democracy in a modern sense. That one is especially probably a terrible idea, and they're not even that unique, but who is brainstorming this stuff? Is it mostly just sci-fi authors? Where is it talked about that isn't already bending toward a team in the already-existing scheme of things? Even the most radical sorts are referencing back to books/ideas that are a century old. There are ultimately like four ideas and we just kind of gave up? That's all of them?

Why have we seen so few different approaches tried? Or seemingly even imagined? I feel like even in fiction, it'll be 2,000 years in the future and the whole thing is structured like a glorified city council ruling entire star systems. I feel like it's difficult even for our minds to imagine anything truly inventive, in that sense. Is that baked into the concept? Is it because we're just dumb monkeys that only understand "big strong monkey better?" HAS this stuff been written about extensively and I'm just unaware (probably, yes)?

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[–] vvilld@lemmy.world 18 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, I think the issue here is more your lack of education/awareness than anything else.

Like electing citizens to office at random

Ancient Athens had a system to do exactly this for a period of time.

Or even a pure democracy in a modern sense

Check out the Democratic Confederalist system currently in practice in the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (commonly called Rojava). It's not strictly pure democracy, but that's a core principle, and it's MUCH more participatory than virtually any other governmental system on the planet.

The big issue here is that education is always political, even if you don't think it is. I'm guessing, based on your writing here, that you were educated in a western liberal democracy. The curriculum you were taught in school, especially with regards to governmental systems, civics, and history, is heavily influenced by the ideology of your country: liberal western representative democracy. I had the same education in school growing up. The curriculum is only interested in presenting alternative forms of government as a way to show how great the one you were living under is. "Monarchy was bad for these reasons, so we replaced it with liberal representative democracy." "Fascism is bad for these reasons (while ignoring all the ways it's very similar to our current system), so be happy you have a liberal democracy." "State communism was authoritarian and bad, so be happy you have what you do." Etc.

They never talk about the shortcomings of their own system, or the benefits of others, because they aren't trying to educate a bunch of radicals who might one day overthrow the system.

There are a lot of people thinking of alternative forms of government. For my own personal ideological biases, I'd recommend reading stuff by people like Mikhail Bakunin (1814-1876), Peter Kropotkin (1842-1921), Murray Bookchin (1921-2006), David Graeber (1961-2020), or Abdullah Öcalan (1948-).

Not the OP but just wanted to say thanks for typing that out. I think it perfectly answers the question, gives several examples/explanations, and provides further research resources. It's always genuinely great to come across posts like this.