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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They won't spare them if they kick out HAMAS. Right now, the terrorists are actually the lesser evil.

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 20 points 3 days ago

the terrorists are actually the lesser evil

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom figher."

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Armed resistance are not terrorists

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Something can be 2 things at once.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

Nelson Mandela’s party was deemed a terrorist organization by the US until about 20 years ago.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Obviously, in this case it's not.

[–] Shapillon@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How is it not terrorism?

Using violence on civilians to further political goals.

What Israel is doing is terrorism too.

One can be seen as self defence and the last resort beside being deported or killed. The other is to pacify a population that's being genocided.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Most captives were military based on stolen land.
they did not use violence on civilians who shouldn't be on that stolen land either, then they are occupiers.
Hamas are in no way terrorists, You are parroting zionist 'both sides' BS.
There is only one evil side and it's the genocidal occupiers.

[–] Shapillon@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think you're missing my point and that we pretty much agree beside some semantics.

What I meant is that terrorism is a somewhat neutral term for me.

Luigi Mangione, the IRA, or even the resistance against Nazis during WWII were terrorists imho. But would I say any of these are evil? Fuck no.

What makes it ok or evil is why you do it.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

OK, but terrorism is most certainly not a neutral term.
Especially for the US that word is used to demonise people.
Literally the worst thing on earth. Nobody is supposed to sympathise with them.
A reason why they and Isntreal often use it.
So you definitely shouldn't.

The definition " the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims" does not apply to Hamas.
Only that their aim, living in their own country can be seen as political.
If anything, the US/Isntreal military ticks all the boxes.

[–] Shapillon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Only that their aim, living in their own country can be seen as political.

I'd say it is political. As much as any other human rights are.

If anything, the US/Isntreal military ticks all the boxes.

Amen

OK, but terrorism is most certainly not a neutral term.

I agree it isn't in the cultural zeitgeist. But I'm genuinely trying to argue that it kinda should be.

e.g. the IRA were based terrorists.

Is it partly because it involves targeting civilians? Of course.

Is it because it can be effective in the context of asymmetric warfare? I'd say probably.

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Someone living in Palestine, someone living in Israel, and someone directly working with Hamas are all going to have their own perceptions and opinions on Hamas.

Hamas is going to mean many different things to those 3 different individuals.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

IDC about the genocider's opinion in the least