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[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 138 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The UK likes to go the other way by talking up a ridiculous goal and then immediately failing it, like "Our goal is to produce zero CO2 and become the global leader in renewables by 2025” and then immediately open a new coal mine.

[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

That's basically what Germany did. They recently shut down their nuclear plants and restarted their coal plants.

[-] agarorn@feddit.de 37 points 1 year ago

And yet coal power production is practically at the lowest level ever (except for corona months 03/20 and 04/20)

https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=de&c=DE&chartColumnSorting=default&year=-1&month=-1&stacking=stacked_absolute×lider=1&legendItems=000001010000000000000

[-] dot20@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

It should be 0.

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

Germany still has a very long way to go to be carbon neutral.

Almost 79% of its primary energy consumption is fossil fuel. 17% is renewable.

For comparison in France 46% of the primary energy consumption is fossil fuel, 14% renewable and 40% nuclear.

[-] Arcturus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Look at the industry's growth in France though. Renewables has been growing at the expense of nuclear. This is happening in Germany as well.

[-] Ooops@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago

Wow... Where have I read that lie before? Oh, yeah. 20 times in this thread already, because you all get your alternative reality sppon-fed by the same lobbyists.

Actual reality:

The "massive" amount of nuclear shut down

The "coal" that replace nuclear

The actual historic low of coal use

[-] notapantsday@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

That is just blatant misinformation. Name one single coal plant that has been restarted since nuclear power was phased out.

[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-reactivates-coal-fired-power-plant-to-save-gas/a-62893497

The Mehrum plant in Hohenhameln and the Heyden plant in Petershagen (whose operation has been extended).

Unless your nitpick is that these were started before the final nuclear shutdown, but I never said otherwise, only that both things happened recently.

[-] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

I understood it as coal was phased in as nuclear was phased out. The thing that astounds me still though is how recent the last 3 were shut down.

[-] notapantsday@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

They were extended specifically because of natural gas supply issues, caused by the war in Ukraine. Not because of nuclear shutdowns.

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

The actual problem was stopping to fund solar, smashing a hundred thousand jobs in renewables under the pretense of "saving workers". ~20k jobs in coal heroically saved.

[-] Ooops@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

But they could easily do it (and get paid by fossil fuel lobbyists) because the discussion is completely twisted anyway. And most constructive discussion of the topic will be drowned in fairy tales about renewables not working, nuclear being our only savior and other bullshit.

Basically this whole thread is a perfect example. We discuss electricity production because that's the direction the nuclear social media cult is pushing every discussion into...

The actual report linked in this thread is for a German report of construction and traffic sectors not meeting their emission reduction goals... and I'm pretty sure neither coal nor nuclear is used to power cars nowadays. And the electrification bottle neck for transport is the production pace of electric cars, their still too high prize, limits on loading infra-structure etc., not actually energy per se.

[-] derGottesknecht@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Thank you for debunking this nuclear fanboy bullshit that gets repeated all the time.

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