Behind the Bastards just wrapped their four-part series on the Zizzians, which has been a fun trip. Nothing like seeing the live reactions of someone who hasn't been at least a little bit plugged into the whole space for years.

I haven't finished part 4, but so far I've deeply appreciated Robert's emphasis on how the Zizzian nonsense isn't that far outside the bounds of normal Rationalist nonsense, and the Rationalist movement itself has a long history as a kind of cult incubator, even if Yud himself hasn't fully leveraged his influence over a self-selecting high-control group.

Also the recurring reminders of the importance of touching grass and talking to people who haven't internet-poisoned themselves with the same things you have.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I listened to parts 2—4 today and even with an above-average familiarity with rationalist weirdness it was a wild fucking ride.

Kinda wild to have a community of vegan trans women whose most notable victims are a border patrol agent and a landlord and who are still the baddies in this situation.

The HPMOR/LW parts and to a lesser extent bits of CFAR were absolutely familiar (and all the more cringeworthy for it). Never quite realized exactly how obviously psychologically torturous cult shit CFAR event were about.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 3 points 15 hours ago

same. I'd known quite a depth of detail, but had never gotten as deep as the innards of those quotes from conference conversations

super healthy and normal situations.