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There’s no such thing as homophobia, I wish people would stop saying that. 🤦🏻♂️
For me, the bigger issue is how this person got a gun in the first place.
You think that you're saying something clever, but you're not. The suffixes "philic" and "phobic" are used in scientific contexts to denote when things are attracted or repelled. Yes, colloquially people use "phobic" to mean fear, but it doesn't always mean that in science. For example, when scientists talk about https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry_Textbook_Maps/Supplemental_Modules_(Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry)/Physical_Properties_of_Matter/Atomic_and_Molecular_Properties/Intermolecular_Forces/Hydrophobic_Interactions they aren't saying that the molecules are literally "afraid" of water. They aren't wrong in their language. You are. Homophobic people are repelled by gay people, and so "homophobia" is exactly the correct term.
And, in addition to that, I gather from your replies that you are a straight person. If you consider yourself an ally, or just not a shitty person, then please refrain from reducing a homophobic murder to a semantic game. It's real life for gay people, not a thought experiment for you to exercise your contrarian rhetorical skills. You are not helping.
Editing to add: And, of course, people DO claim fear of gay people as a defense for murdering gay people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense
"A defendant may allege to have found the same-sex sexual advances so offensive or frightening that they were provoked into reacting, were acting in self-defense, were of diminished capacity, or were temporarily insane, and that this circumstance is exculpatory or mitigating."
So, even if you're junvenile semantic games were valid (they aren't), you're wrong. So, again, please take a seat.
Also I'd argue that none of this really matters because language doesn't follow an absolute set of rules. Language is how people use it. If people start using a word to mean so thing it take son that meaning, it doesn't matter if the word makes sense in relation to other words.
A word for something isn't a 100% accurate description of that thing and it never has been. It doesn't matter that a peanut isn't technically a nut, we call it a peanut. Everyone understands that it's a peanut. If you walk up to someone on the street and say "do you know where I can buy some peanuts" they will understand what you are saying with no problems at all.
We spend way too much time arguing over the "right" and "wrong" uses of words. There is no such thing really. Words don't determine their own meaning, people determine that meaning, and if enough people can regocnize a words meaning immediately when they hear it then it is a word with a valid definition. It doesn't matter if the word is contradictory to the way other similar words work, because language isn't defined like that.
Ironically this whole stupid "homophobic peoe aren't scared of gay people" actually proves that the person making that claim does acknoedge that the word homophobia is linguistically valid, because they are acknowledging that it's understood definition differs from what you would expect if you strictly read the word literally
Further, even their efforts to portray it as "silly SJWs constantly inventing new terms for things" falls flat on its face because "homophobia" has been a widely used and accepted term for literally decades. It's a pointless (and incorrect!) diversion in pedantry. Plus, it ignores the fact that there is value in actually having specific terms for common things, actually. The reason we have a specific term for anti-gay bigotry is because it's a concept we as a society talk a lot about, so it's simply useful to have a specific term we can use to specifically address that phenomenon. No single person gets to play pedantic petulant child and dictate how the rest of us use language. Language is perhaps the single most democratic thing humanity has, as the meaning of words (and what words there are!) is solely determined by everyday participatory democracy.
And language changes with time and culture. A great example of this is the word 'literally'. At this point it's become a synonym of 'figuratively' with younger generations, just about the exact opposite of what it once meant. Some might argue that's just using the word wrong, but if people are able to understand each other when using the word in that way, it's clearly a working definition, no matter how odd.
So even if homophobia meant actually being afraid of gay people at some point, even that would be irrelevant. At the end of the day, the meaning it holds today is the only thing that's important.