New world order: Putin dies, successor adopts democracy and joins NATO, Trump leaves NATO and goes full authoritarian, US becomes new dictatorship while Russia becomes new leader of the free world.

[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Even if Putin's successor adopts real democracy, it will take generations to change the national psyche that thinks they need a strong leader. As much as the west hates Putin, he does have real support among the people. At least as long as he remains strong.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago

Most importantly, it takes rewriting their school books.. The Russian school books on mathematics and on Russian language rant about Russian supremacy.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

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I mean, the US and Germany essentially reversed roles.

Also China and Japan.

Wtf is this simulation, so fucking bizzare and absurd.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A Russian leadership change would be good enough to stop the Ukrainian war. Any new leader would need resources close to hold power.

This also just wont happen, Trump is the figure uniting the fascists in the US when he pops it topples and the spell is broken. There is a lot of horrible factors and clean up to be done but Trump doesn't have the means to go full auhtoritarian I dont think.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Trump is the figure uniting the fascists in the US when he pops it topples and the spell is broken.

I sincerely hope so, but I don't find that likely. People aren't turning to fascism just because they like him, they're doing so because they aren't able to think critically, or are hateful, or are looking for easy answers to the complex issues fucking up their lives, or all of the above.

Trump didn't get to power in a vacuum. The political environment is ripe for it.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Absolutely, but Trump is the centre of it. There is a reason fascism fails after leaders die, it is difficult to sustain. There isnt enough foundations yet for itnto survive after.

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Even so, Drumphs "charisma", whatever the fuck that is, is the glue holding all the shit people together. JD Vance isn't going to be able to threaten GOP congressturds and senaturds with primaries. No-one even likes him, it's just his attachment to Drumphs starfish that gives him any power.

[+] Aqarius@lemmy.world -7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Russia has tried joining NATO before, NATO wasn't really interested. It's one of the main reasons Russia is convinced NATO is inherently hostile to Russia.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That is absolutely not why Russia dislikes NATO, it's because NATO was built to defend against russia (CCCP/URSS which was led by russia).

That's also why the anti-bully club rejected the bully

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, yes, NATO was built to oppose Russia, that's why they refused Russia membership, and why Russia considers NATO inherently a threat. And why "Russia joins NATO" is a non-starter, Pution or no Putin.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Defending from something doesn't really mean opposing something in this sense.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've got autocorrect switched off, but these kinds of corrections have lately started happening.

Anyway, corrected "need" to "mean".

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Does it? If you're defending, it's presumably from an attack, which you are thereby opposing.

I mean, imagine if Russia and the US announce tomorrow that they formed a military alliance - it's just defensive, don't worry about it. Also, UKIP, AFD, and FN won, and the UK, Germany, and France are joining, too. No, the rest of NATO can't join, but it's just defensive, don't worry about it. Also, Taiwan can't join, but China might. Don't worry about it.

I get that exclusion doesn't necessarily have to mean hostility, but I don't think it's a stretch to see a power block forming that deliberately excludes you and be concerned. Now, I could think of a few ways of dealing with that concern that don't involve, yknow, going to war, but I'm not the guy running things.

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Russia's behaviour whilst holding a veto in the UN Security Council pretty much proves to NATO that Russia would only be an obstacle, and no asset at all. Fuck Russia! With a giant cactus. No lube!