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Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has endorsed President Joe Biden’s reelection campaign, a sign of the president’s strength in uniting his party to have the backing of one of its most liberal members

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Carter is our most progressive president since FDR...

The "moderates" were the ones running the party that allowed a primary...

I thought my comment was pretty clear, but hopefully that's clearer

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not everyone's American and not everyone knows history from 42 years ago of foreign countries.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It's pretty clear from context.

[-] toothpaste_sandwich@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

I mean, things like primary challenger and stuff like that aren't really terms non-Americans are familiar with. I also wasn't quite sure which of the two people I didn't know was the progressive one.

[-] Zaktor@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The kicker to this is that Kennedy was also super progressive. The whole statement doesn't really make sense to politically engaged Americans either, it was just a "The Party allowed a progressive to challenge a progressive". Ted Kennedy was a powerful enough politician that the party didn't need to allow him to run. He was basically royalty (brother of John F. Kennedy) and an untouchable institution in the state he represented. Carter had really terrible approval ratings (28%) and Kennedy had presidential ambitions.

This. Look how angry people still are about the DNC's percieved favoritism towards Hillary in 2016. Imagine the backlash if Bernie had been flat-out barred from running in the primaries against her. Now imagine Bernie's last name is "Kennedy", and it's less than a decade after JFK and RFK were murdered.

Yeah, the DNC basically had no choice but to let him challenge Carter.

[-] Falmarri@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Don't blame others for your ignorance

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's really not.

Also, OP's ignoring that Kennedy was also a progressive hero, too. The primary was progressive vs. progressive-- which is part of the reason it's remembered today as the poster child of pointless infighting that did nothing but benefit the opposition. I've literally never heard anyone here in the States have OP's take on the primary until this thread.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Reading it again the confusion is in Canada the party leader is basically the PM candidate.

I guess in the US the president is not the party leader. Without that knowledge, you don't know what's going on.

[-] Zaktor@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Ted Kennedy, champion of the moderates, is very much not a self-obvious implication.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I explicitly said the problem was the party leaders allowing a primary.

That was “moderate” party leaders trying to sabotage a progressive at any cost.

That fucked America up reeeeeeeally badly. But the people who decided to do it got what they wanted: an excuse to tell voters that progressives can’t win.

Sink two progressives in one blow, and hope you get a moderate in 4 years.

If Carter did 8, Kennedy would have likely been president next, maybe for another 8 years. Moderates were losing the party. Having a republican beat a weakened Carter let them tell voters that the party had to move right and that progressives couldn't win.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In Canada the leader of the party is basically the PM (Prime Minister) candidate. One and the same.

So reading those words would mean that the PM, who is the party leader, would have had to allow a challenger. (which isn't how it works here, but anyway.)

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