That's primarily why most people on lemmy that critically support the CCP post; to get people to realize their reflexive EvIlCHiNaMeNcOmMiEs bad is influenced by the propaganda they've been consuming for decades.

Its a democratic state made up of more people than the entirety of North America and Europe combined. There is no magic brainwashing power that exists in any version of our reality that affects 1.4 billion humans perfectly. So either they're not people or maybe most of them genuinely enjoy their country and the good it's managed to do for them.

Oh and since this is ml and facts can be said; the uighur population isn't under going genocide. We know what a 21st century genocide looks like in a fascist state. The few thousand (out of tens of millions) arrested and allowed reeducation for legitimately going to Afghanistan and becoming terrorists does not a genocide make.

[–] dr_robotBones@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I get that China isn't as bad as alot of news sites say, but isn't it common knowledge that China is a one-party state? Where is the democracy exactly?

[–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You have to agree communism is the goal, that's the party. Within that party are hundreds of factions that are all striving for votes so china gets to communism in the way they think is best. That's the democracy.

Its like if the US formalized an oath to continue being loyal to the US into a single party that you have to join in order to be in politics; and from there split into dem/rep parties. You'd still vote for factions and reps, but all of them would be required to at least have the same ending goal in mind.

It prevents people like trump from getting far, as keeping up appearances isn't really possible the longer you spend in the party.

There are of course downsides to this approach, but a lack of choice isn't really one of them; you just don't get to vote for the destruction of the government or country.

[–] dr_robotBones@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Except they have a very tiered system, where elections only occur for positions at the lowest level, and the higher tier the position is the less accountable they are to the will of the people. There is no governance by the people there, I would argue there isn't in most countries that claim to be democratic, but its even more blatant in a system where the rulers aren't even representatives of the people, just representatives of a slightly lower tier of the only legal party.

[–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The lower tiers vote for the higher tiers, and anyone can join government.

As far as your concern, there's a reason the government in china actually works, vs the US that stagnates for decades.

Only actually qualified people have power. You prove yourself over years. Xi, for example, has a doctorate and decades of proven experience; and that was after winning his external elections.

to compare to to western democracy, you don't vote for prime minister, the people you voted for votes for prime minister. Just add a few layers with publicly auditable and contestable elections.

[–] dr_robotBones@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not saying it doesn't work, there are alot of things I think China does right, and I by no means think these representative republics of the west are anything more than veiled oligarchies, as China is a veiled technocracy. I just don't think its right to call any regime that isn't accountable to its population a democrarcy, I don't think its even right to call republics with infrequent or no referendums a democracy.