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All 3 points are wrong. 1 There is no status quo, they have demonstrably both gone further right. Which brings me to 2 2 There is only fascism and fascism-light. Genocide Joe also built the wall, deported massively more people:
Bombed civilians in Yemen and displaced half a million people there for his genocidal proxy.
And many mor scummy thing.
3 They will never have a revolution, only placate Trump and move even further to the right to win back some votes.
And people will take it, americans are pacified and harmless, some lame protests are not 'revolution'.
Gullible AF as shown by the massive upvotes you get from the many libs here.
They will all be hearded back into the status quo sytem by Bernie or AOC the new sheepdog puppy in training to prevent revolution or a valid 3rd party.
Sad that even a non-american as yourself, not confined to thinking inside the box can be this wrong.
The other side of the uniparty thinks like you and is refusing to admit their wrongs, how bad do you have to be to not be an alternative to fascists? All of them get what they deserve.
Mate, assuming youre an American, whatever you need to feel better about your inaction is up to you
Bottom line: once an Americans ability to vote is gone all your catchphrases mean nothing. The fascist is the one who will take that action.
American involvement in the middle east has worsened the situation for Palestinians since Trump was elected. That doesn't mean Biden was anything but an awful leader but Trump is worse. Way way worse. Everything he does both foreign and domestic was enabled by those who both voted for him and those who refused to vote against him.
If Trump is walking the "way way worse" path on Palestine it's only because Biden laid the path down for him in the first place.
I'm not american, and I don't 'need to feel better', I'm glad that country is destroying itself since they are all horrible, as I explained.
You must be joking, there was nothing left for him to bomb in Palestine and he ruthlessly bombed Yemen, more than Trump did.
I give facts, they are not catchphrases as you demeaningly call it.
All you got is "Trump is worse".
You should move there, you fit right in with the smug and sanctimonius libs shifting blame and vile insults at leftists for what they themselves caused.
If you genuinely think things aren't worse under Trump whilst simultaneously claiming you speak facts then I don't know that you are capable of reason. Couple that with your apologia for excusing voting against fascism and its very obvious you're about as left wing as Thatcher wasn't.
HOW are things worse in the middle east under trump than biden? What is trump doing that is worse than supplying arms for a genocidal carpet bombing campaign like biden was?
They are worse for themselves, that's all, and all they care about.
The entirety of the Dems program was "let us continue to be shitty and also ignore that little genocide.... or you get Trump and expensive eggs!"
And again you are incapable of understanding voting for them is not "voting against fascism", since they both are and continuing the status quo BS it what got them in this position in the first place. I have zero sympathy for them.
And you certainly should not have an opinion on me being left.
What are you, some English guy voting for Kid Starver and larping as a leftist?
Really, don't bother replying, no use in talking to obstinate people.
Try and parse a bit of reality. By enabling fascism by voting for it or refusing to vote against it you make the situation worse for both those in Palestine and also remove your ability to vote out the person doing this.
And here's you going on about eggs.
Voting for a corporate Dem IS voting in favor of fascism.
Corporate Dems know that the only path they ever have to power is if the alternative is Republican autocracy. They're too unpopular on their own to have any way of winning an election based on their personality or positions. They can only win by fear. Thus, they cannot actually dismantle fascism. They can't pass reforms stripping the presidency of emergency powers to prevent it from being abused. They can't launch a law enforcement crackdown to finally put MAGA in the ground. They need MAGA. They want MAGA. They need a giant monster standing behind them to terrify the populace into voting for them. That is the only way they can possibly win an election. In fact, they have every incentive to make that monster as big and as terrifying as possible.
Voting for a centrist Dem guarantees eventual holocaust. The Fascists will just keep becoming more extreme and violent, even when the corporate Dems are in power. The occupants of the White House will alternate between Fascists and corporate Dems, moving further to the right each cycle. Eventually they'll start killing people by the millions. Centrist Dems are unable to prevent this. They need fascists in order to get in to power.
No, you were just a genocide denier when it was your team doing it.
Your whole complaint is that people didn't vote for the people doing this.
don't bother with that person. Americans can't understand it, the whole country is corrupted and evil to its roots. And don't even bother trying to explain an american what anarchism is all about or they'll collapse on their own like this guy did
And there it is, "if you dare question my genocide denial, you aren't capable of reason!"
Worse for whom?
Things haven't changed a bit for my indigenous neighbors. They are being fucked over just as hard now, as before...
My black neighbors have noticed just as much now as before, cops still abusing their community and their still being ignored economically.
So, worse for white people? Sure.
Worse for non cis people, worse for women, worse for education, worse for immigrants, worse for people in countries being directly and indirectly threatened by your fascist president. Worse for people watching him dismantle all opposition and ultimately worse for anyone who thinks they're going to be able to protest any of this. The fact he hasn't made things worse for your neighbours is because he hasn't got around to it yet. Were less than 6 months in.
How so, specifically, that wasn't happening prior?
Same. How so, specifically?
Public education, to put in the words of Lupe Fiasco:
"Your child's future was the first to go with budget cuts If you think that hurts, then wait, here comes the uppercut The school was garbage in the first place, that's on the up and up"
Brown people in the US have always gotten the shit end of the stick, with public education.
What if I told you that Biden was deporting people at a faster rate than Trump is?
Like, which countries? Palestine was being genocided before Trump was elected. And we've been raping under developed nations for a long time. Frankly, a lot of those nations are getting a break now, with Trump's focus on turning the imperialism inwards.
many of the most emblematic coup d'états were sponsored by dems in power. brazil in 64 and 2016, bay of pigs invasion in cuba in 61, south vietnam in 63, greece in 67, dominican republic in 63 and 65, argentina in 66, bolivia in 79, south korea in 61 and 79, honduras in 2009, paraguay in 2012...
I've got zero interest in discussing anything with people so foolish they tie themselves in knots to absolve fascism and Trump. Its literally pointless.
Who is absolving Trump of anything?
You have zero interest because every time you try you make an ass of yourself and start defending genocide
The reason it's not worse for my neighbors, is because they were already under attack by your beloved liberal republic, and have been for centuries.
My what? Are you a child?
I'm fully aware they've been under attack for a long time. I'm saying under fascism it'll get worse. Both for them and for everyone else.
"Vote for genocide or we'll beat you up again"
That's essentially what you're saying right now
It seems like it's mostly getting worse for white, cishet people. Queer people were already under attack, and being lynched. We've been hammering on immigrants for like... 30 or so years now. etc etc.
Your beloved liberal republic here, the one that loves to genocide people, loves to be racist, loves to put dollars over humans, and loves to start wars to topple democratic societies abroad.
So yes, you are. Got it.
So, you really have nothing to retort...
Tell me: Is it better or worse, that the US is not longer doing imperialism as hard in their homes?
Better for all the people who were already being brutalized by the USA empire and are happy to see it collapse though.
Dude, I'm doubting you are capable of reason. Compare what you wrote:-
What you are responding to.
Those were both me. What's your point?
Copied the wrong reply. Anyway.
Neither of you is saying Trump is better.
No, you're wrong. Jusr twice.
If you refuse to vote against a fascist you support the fascist. Because the fascist doesn't care if you endorse him. Refusing to stand up to him brings about the exact same result.
I'm a different person. I was reading the thread noticing that you both think Trump is the worst president.
And what does you being willing to engage in genocide denial to defend a fascist make you?
No it hasn't, you were just a genocide denier when it was your team doing it. In that sense, the situation is better under Trump because at least BlueMaga shitlibs like you are not denying their genocide anymore.
There was also a ceasefire and prisoner exchange, and Trump immediately forcing Israel to accept it torpedoed the "we don't actually have any influence over them" excuses.