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If you get mad at progressives for not falling in line, start running better candidates.
Since it's so easy to fall in line, the centrists and neo-liberals should have no problem doing it.
You're literally just playing into the hands of the ruling class when you spout rhetoric like yours.
Then run a progressive who can make centrists and neoliberals fall in line. Don't be mad at me when you don't see candidates you want.
Why is it always progressives who have to compromise? Why can't centrists for once have to hold their nose and vote for a progressive?
Because progressives aren't making them in the primaries. Win the primaries, and you force the centrists to hold their noses.
What primaries
Tell me more about how Harris won the primary.
...except the centrists and neoliberals went to Trump. Hillary and Harris both spent their campaigns courting them, and they both lost. Biden, for all his faults, had Bernie help him craft a progressive policy agenda and won. The Democrats undermine the progressive wing of their own ostensibly left-leaning party in primaries and other intraparty conflicts, then get to the general elections and get wrecked because neoliberals would rather vote for the Republicans than pseudo-Republicans.
The republican establishment didn't like Trump, did that stop him?
Well, there are a couple of differences there. First, Trump is an excellent media manipulator. Every moment that pundits thought would be a campaign-ending gaffe became free publicity. He got the equivalent of $2 billion in free media coverage from CNN alone.
Second, Trump didn't actually say or do anything that would upset the donor class like progressives do. He was more vulgar and crass, and the RNC was certain he would cost them the election, but he wasn't an existential threat to billionaires the way Bernie was.
However, if you want an example of how the RNC behaves when someone like that is running, look at the 2012 Republican Primary. Mitt Romney was the frontrunner, but the base was unenthusiastic about him and looking for someone different. Ron Paul polled in second place literally the entire campaign cycle, but the pundit class gave him no coverage. They wrote endlessly about Chirs Christie, Rick Santorum, and even Herman Caine, all of whom had brief moments as the frontrunner, but they completely ignored Ron Paul. His staunch libertarian beliefs threatened the defense industry and Wall Street, so the media and the party just pretended he didn't exist. (For the record, Ron Paul was a wack-job and I'm glad he never became president, but the Bernie parallels are strong).
Interesting and fair point.
Change how we vote so we can have more then two political parties. As we can all see, a two party system is just one party away from a one party state.
And who wouldn't want more then one chance to defeat the republicans?