"Omg did you hear he's an individualist?"
"Omg I can't believe he strangles puppies with his bare hands."
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i dont even know what this means, are you saying tankies made you more right wing?
you probably just needed an excuse my dude
Tankies cause people to vote right wing. Polarisation.
I'm against authoritarianism so... if lefties are authoritarians I'm not left.
the left is literally about creating a stateless society. The term 'left-wing' comes from the French Revolution in which members of parliament who were against restoring the monarchy sat on the left side.
maybe have a look into left politics and theory before establishing that an entire philosophical set of ideas is 'authoritarian'.
Not when the left wing is only represented by authoritarians.
i would love to know the sources of media you choose to consume, i would also love to know who you think 'represents' the left.
even those who i think represent the left would be considered 'not left enough' or some other bullshit considering its an inherently, extremely disparate grouping of thousands of ideologies.
I consume this platform's media and the tankies are a poison to the left
Tankies are not leftist. Neither are libs. Both are basically fash.
Liberals are for globalisation. Tankies are for China's firewall and surveillance.
Social democrats are for low inequality
i dont know what this means, thanks for playing i guess
Here on lemmy there are left communities and they are completely clear in their messaging that if you don't accept their narrative you're a liberal.
Do you mean leftist or tankie? Because tankies are right-wing like liberals.
Right wing is the authoritarians.
How have you mixed these up ?
The ring wing want to force Christianity in school. To make everyone their religion. They remove diversity policies
They are the ones keeping people from identifying with their gender on identification documents. Or using the appropriate bathroom.
They don't want women to have autonomy over their own body.
They literally are trying to force people to be a specific way and remove their rights to autonomy.
That's authoritarian.
You know about the paradox of tolerance, right?
Tolerating right wing ideology only allows it to become dominant.
We can't tolerate intolerance and misinformation.
It was that tolerance that got us into this shit show we are in today. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
I'm openly hostile toward the right wing.
These leftists blame me for being a part of a system that is inherently evil.
To live up to their standard I have to be some sort of charactiture freedom fighter leading armies against the most sophisticated war machine in human history.
You're a wizard harry
Tankies/redfash are not lefties. Neither are libs.
That's orthogonal to left / right.
Not if lefty communities are only represented by the authoritarian wing.
Almost the entirety of Lemmy is left leaning, even more so than reddit was. So unless you're over in specifically ML communities you're generally interacting with non-authoritarian leftists.
We've even got multiple entire instances with a strong non-auth leaning. (db0, vtc, etc)
I think you mean, "liberals".
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I follow...
I don't pass the lefty purity test because I participate in American democracy. That means I can only be liberal and never a leftist.
I think perhaps you're reading too much into what others say. There are a lot of exaggerated views all over the internet, and that means here as well. And although I'd like to believe most of us here do our best to speak in good faith, I'm sure that's not always true.
And yet, I'm also sure that there are some people here who do genuinely believe that Westerners can't be leftists, but I think those views are clouded by the history of Western hegemony and imperialism, and ultimately don't stand up to scrutiny. I think it's our responsibility to, maybe not be accepting of such views, but at least to be understanding of them with intent to put them behind us.
I understand but when I call them out for being the thing they claim to detest they double down which only serves to prove my point.
Good faith. Good faith requires reflection. If you can't scrutinize your own behavior you can't act in good faith.
I think there are a lot of issues that aren't necessarily clear cut and obvious that someone is always right, and even under the leftist umbrella, you can run into conflict and disagreement. There can often be conflict between long-term and short-term goals for example, or between utilitarian and virtue ethic frameworks.
And beyond that, we're all human here, so we can have emotional attachments to our positions which can impede reflection as well.
So while you're right, acting in good faith means we should do our best to accept that we might be wrong, it also means we should try to have the grace to accept that others may not be immediately capable of the same.
We grow gardens by planting seeds.
I'm only conflicted because I want to plant seeds along side them but they're placing them in tainted earth.
I think genuine curiosity can go a long way, if that's the case, and that means accepting the possibility that they may know something that you do not.
If you can genuinely understand their beliefs down to their roots, then maybe you can help them to see where they're contradictory.
I would love to engage but, sorry, I'm banned.
When they do come at me it's only with rotten double think and blaze out, fustrated, that I won't succumb.
Gardening metaphors can only take us so far, I guess. I wish you the best, and hope that you don't get discouraged, and can keep an open mind. (:
Thanks for the cha t=)
If you want to increase your leftist purity, then stop supporting a genocidal empire. It's not that complicated.