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jesus I feel old, and I am only in my 30s. I remember not having apt. How young are linux users nowadays?
I got tennis shoes older than you, (literally a pair of original Converse I bought new back in the 1970s). I was there before the original chains of Unix, DOS, and finally Linux were foraged. I saw OS2 die in battle. And I saw the dark time of when paper and pencils and slide rules vanished from this earth.
The knowledge of apt-get and apt only matters to those warriors of the Cli when they wield the sword of sudo to vanquish the evils that exist when upgrading. For they do the bidding of the dark wizards of Dev, holders of the command su.
Now that I have demonstrated my age by showing everyone how senile I am. 'apt install' is aimed at users to give a nicer response to it's use. It need not be backwards compatible either. 'Apt-get install' is older and is meant to be usable as a lower level command and to work with other APT based tools.
What does this mean for you today? Not a damn thing. I still always type: sudo apt-get install when using a deb based dsitro out of sheer habit. But it's not needed the vast majority of the unwashed masses. So feel free to just type apt install to help prevent carpel finger nail.
FYI the original Converse shoes came out in 1917. Now get off my lawn.
That's interesting, I did not know that! Thanks Stranger!
Now, if you do not remember or know the "Converse. Limousines for the Feet" tagline. Then get of MY lawn yet again. π€£
Converse walked so Nike could run with their tagline.
I don't remember that Converse tagline ... but back then I was wearing Sears Toughskins instead of Levis, that should make it clear how fashionable I was. "Limousines for the Feet" is a pretty laughable slogan, though, since chucks are about the least comfortable shoes in the history of humanity - even Γtzi's fucking bird's nest shoes were probably more comfortable.
Pfft, n00b
I can remember using punch card readers to access inventory data, I have used paper punch tape to load CNC programs into machining centers and dragging arouind a reader we had mounted on a 4 wheel garden cart, (I can still remember when the tape reader fell off that cart too). And marveling at getting a 3 1/2" drive installed into a machine to load programs and how much faster and easier that was.
Gods, I either need a lobotomy or just to die to forget those memories.........
Well... how old were you when you got your first computer? That young.
Dicey proposition, some mid and older genX grew up before home computers were commonplace.
When I was in my tweens, only really affluent people had computers. Schools had one single computer in a classroom or maybe a couple in a lab, and almost no one was computer literate.
Can confirm, I'm right on the edge of Gen-X and Millennials. I was the only one of my friends who had a computer pretty much all the way through elementary school. And the only reason we had computers in our house was because my dad was a computer engineer. By the time I was in highschool pretty much everyone had at least a family computer.
Nah a lot of people now think screen time is bad without evidence. Never would be allowed to get on a computer at 3-4.
I think there is a difference between spending hours trying to understand a system or solving a problem vs hours of doomscrolling, brainrot and dopamine genocide
Excessive screen time at 3 is bad, and we do have evidence. Computers from the 80s we grew up with have nothing in common with today's highly advanced skinner boxes. It has been so since the age of TV, but today's tech is worse. They fuck up cognitive and social development really bad. Using screens from time to time is fine, but having a tablet in your face every waking minute hurts even adults.
This seems more like correlation than anything else. Not that it's necessarily wrong but it seems very abstract. For example it says an hour of tv time is bad, but that's just consumption and it also doesn't mention, for example, engagement. It says some types of content can reduce focus, sure, but people usually don't offer that type of nuance when they say "screen time bad!". It also says clearly that there are other types of content that are valuable. It doesn't have an explanation why reading a book is more or less engaging and helpful than say, watching the same story on tv?
Point is im 100% confident there are specific things that are bad, but the blanket ban seems silly and ineffective, potentially harming the child.
What is this straw man? No one, not in my comment, or in the article linked has advocated for a blanket bank. The word excessive has been there this whole time.
I follow the idea that phones/tablets are an individual experience, while tv is a social experience (assuming everyone is in the same room) so my kid has minimal tablet time, except on really long car trips. But has perhaps more than I would like tv time. But we are in there as a family. Itβs very difficult in todays world with so much individual experience coming from a device.
You had your own computer before you could read...?
I didn't claim to understand it but I do claim to remember my sister trying to explain it to me, and that computer only existed during a certain time period.
Lots of toddlers out there with phones/tablets.
Ditto. I started my linux journey with Slackware 1.0 that I got in a book. I quickly got tired of dual booting so I picked up a used 486dx66 on Craigslist. It even came with a green on black 12" CRT! I took a class and started hacking on the kernel to learn the innards. I fixed a semaphore issue, improved the task scheduler for performance and constantly rebuilt the kernel for performance (before modularized drivers were a thing). I learned not to panic from a kernel panic.
Slackware's "package manager" was a notepad next to the computer. I switched to debian later and loved the whole idea of a package manager. Mostly because it was a trove of free software, but also because it would handle all the dependencies for me and cleanly uninstall (at a time when disk space was valuable).
Those were the days! Long live apt & apt-get!