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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

anti-trans activist want trans women to use men’s restrooms, but they aren’t thinking about the fact that those same laws and policies force trans men women’s restrooms, leading to this kind of situation

Oh, that's the point.

See, it's about men protecting women from bad things. Not about women feeling uncomfortable.

It's the same as the justification for Christian rejection of empathy (as opposed to more reserved compassion): the undertone is "women are more vulnerable to 'falling for' the empathee's sin."

Womens' perspectives may be where the thoughts stop, but that is no accident.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think the anti-trans activists coming up with the policies are aware of trans men and have crafted this policy to stoke moral panic and to keep trans people out of public life. I guess in my mind, the naive anti-trans person who doesn't know about trans men were more like the average person duped by anti-trans propaganda.

The actual people running the movement know a trans man realistically won't be comfortable going to the women's restroom, so their intention isn't really to force them in there either - it's to increase risks for trans people so they either face violence in the wrong bathroom or face criminality, maybe with a long term goal of using the prisons to forcefully detransition trans people.

That some trans people are going ahead and complying with the bathroom law is maybe an unintended side effect, but it still achieves the effect of increasing risks for trans people - trans women are at much greater risk of violence in a men's restroom or in a men's prison than in a women's restroom or a women's prison, and thus achieving the genocidal goal of eradicating trans people.

See, it’s about men protecting women from bad things. Not about women feeling uncomfortable.

Womens’ perspectives may be where the thoughts stop, but that is no accident.

I completely agree, women's safety was never the actual priority - nor does it accord with reality, the empirical evidence shows that trans inclusive policies do not increase crime and the idea that trans people pose any real threat are not based in reality.

Women never mattered here, and even the anti-trans "gender-critical" movement that claims feminist roots have distanced themselves from feminism, with increasing focus on targeting trans women and prioritizing anti-trans policies even when it contradicts feminist goals or beliefs.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I think the anti-trans activists coming up with the policies are aware of trans men and have crafted this policy to stoke moral panic and to keep trans people out of public life.

I think it really depends. There are some leaders/influencers who know exactly what they're doing, and are using this moral panic as a engagement tool. Maybe some do have the idea of forcefully detransitioning the incarcerated, with a kind of Mike Pence attitude to it (who is much more supportive of conversion therapy than most people are aware of).

But (speaking as someone with some very evangelical southern US family), I think some supporters really are thinking of this from the "protect vunerable women" perspective. This thread weaves through everything, their whole ideology and perception of people... Women are supposed to need and accept men's protection and direction. So of course these scary "biological men" should be removed from their bathrooms, while being with "biological women" still fits that idealistic fantasy until they actually look at a picture like this. But that will never often happen because staying intellectually sheltered is part of the culture. Women are conditioned to not bluntly point out stuff like this.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

Yes, I was trying to differentiate the kinds of anti-trans people, the clergy from the flock so to speak. The politicians like Mike Pence and activists like Matt Walsh are more likely to be strategic and knowledgeable about the issues.

The lay people who are influenced by those activist leaders are more likely to be ignorant and have different perspectives.

Whether leaders or lay people, I don't take them seriously when they say they are trying to "protect vulnerable women" any more than I think conservatives actually care about small government or states rights, everything is just rationalization and rhetoric to justify a less pleasant and less defensible position (like taking food stamps away from the poor, or eradicating trans people).