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Once the government claims the right to strip anyone of due process, rights cease to be rights and become privileges, granted or revoked at the whim of those in power. That is not a constitutional democracy. That is the scaffolding of fascism.

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[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

No, the Democrats are too blame. You can only run as "at least we're not fascists" for so long before you wear out the response. They didn't fight fascism, they didn't push for a better world, they tried to meet fascism halfway

They didn't jail Trump for attempting an insurrection, they didn't fix voting, they didn't listen to the voters.

They just keep insisting everything is ok. They actively adopt the language of maga. They refuse to use any power they do have - they just make slippery slope arguments and talk down to their constituents. Things are not ok, our lives are getting worse faster than they carefully tweak things to offer half measures

This is not the voter's fault. The Democratic party gave America an ultimatum - "take what we give you or you get fascists". They did it three times. It barely worked once

[–] Maltese_Liquor@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

How is that not shared fault by your own definition? Like I get that democrats shit the bed due to greed and good old fashioned ineptitude but if the options are status quo or unbridled fascism I can't see how someone can choose fascism and expect to remain blameless.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Because one of these actions was a deliberate course taken by a group, the other is the reaction of the population

Someone has a gun to your head and tells you to march. Every time you slow or stumble they press the gun against your head and repeat the threat. How long do you march?

It's been hours, and your body barely responds to you. The adrenaline has worn out, you fall again and they repeat the threat. Do you march yourself to death? Do you just refuse to stand? Do you dare them to shoot you?

In none of these cases is it actually your fault. Maybe you could've survived the march. Maybe you were marching to your burial site. It doesn't matter, you weren't really given a choice

In other words, it's victim blaming.

[–] Maltese_Liquor@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, that would be a good argument if it wasn't a blatant case of emotional manipulation and a poor metaphor on top of that.

Like it or not your life comes with responsibilities, one of those responsibilities are to those around you. Your gun to the head metaphor implies that you are the only part impacted by the consequences of your actions, but that's obviously not the case here. If you imagine 100 gunmen have guns to 100 people's heads and then tell on the them to start marching or else they all get shot, then it would at least be a little closer. I can understand and even sympathize with the unfortunate situation the marcher is put in but that doesn't mean he still won't receive some of the blame when he decides for the entire group that enough is enough and he'd rather just end the whole thing then and there.

I think this is what the rest of us see as the core of the problem and what you all seem unwilling to see; refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils is inherently selfish, even if it is understandable.