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Ask why the cops need this
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I think it was in California in the 90s that some guys tried to rob a bank, but they had full body armour and helmets, and were armed with assault rifles and high capacity magazines. The cops were useless against them as all they had were squad cars, pistols, and a few shotguns. It was a huge wake up call for police forces across America and it didn't take long for them to start acquiring better equipment.
If you don't like the militarization of your police, then you need to do something about the militarization of your general populace.
It was North Hollywood, with illegally modified weapons and home made body armor
Thnx for the link. Didn't know their body armour was home made. That's some pretty good dedication to one's trade. Too bad they couldn't have put that talent into something constructive.
They just stitched bought armor together, basically.
How dare you point out that this is an example of weapons that have been federally prohibited for a century! Now how can people moderation fallacy their way into sounding reasonable?
So let's make more things illegal because it will fix everything for sure
Not sure what has your panties in a wad over that.
The converted rifles in that crime were not ATF Form 2 weapons, so calling them "illegaly modified" is a true and factual statement.
I don't have gun context. Just saying that banning sething(i.e. making it illegal) will only increase amount of illegal. Things that are banned will not just "have you seen the law? Well, it seems I shouldn't exist" and disappear.
You can now prosecute people doing harm with new charges. I don't know why that isn't significant. Why does every action have to "fix everything?"
Aaaand? They are already charged with, you know, killing people.
Not necessarily. Not if they were stopped before they could kill anyone.
Well, trying to kill is already illegal.
You really don't understand how adding charges results in longer sentences? Really?
Well, you can just increase sentence for killing if you want what you claim
That's not how laws work. There are already maximum and minimum sentences for each offense.
Yes. And both of them can be changed.
Or you can just add to the charges. What difference does it make to you?
What point are you trying to draw, here?
Taking reliable existing semi-automatic firearms and modifying to fully automatic still would not be feasible for these dunces if they were starting out from scratch (at least not with any semblance of reliability from an engineer's standpoint). Finally, should be noted that there's little reason the outcome would've been different had they been semi-automatic, considering ammunition waste and less attention to accuracy. If their goals were that of the Aurora shooter, then that would be different.
"home made body armor" implies they made it from scratch. No. They used several vests worth of manufactured body armor to make full body armor.
None, I linked the wiki entry for the person who "remembered there was an incident" because I remembered the incident.
What point are you trying ro draw here?
You included more than simply a link to a wiki page.
Pretty sure my points are self-evident by context.
No, I provided a link to the wiki page with the tldr from the article on the weapon/armor for anyone who didn't want to click on it.
The fact you believe there's some sort of point I'm trying to make by linking the wiki article that covers the bank robbery and includes the information on the weapons, tactics and outcome and think "I'm trying to make a point" speaks volumes about you.
Ah, so indeed it was more than just a link. An emphasis on armor and weapon, curiously, despite that already being mentioned by the original user. Interesting.
Tell me, how does it "speak volumes?" when I'm merely providing obvious context and correcting misconceptions?
Because that was the persons comment I linked to was regarding the weapons and armor.
I'm sorry you don't like what the wiki says and you apparently feel the need to read more into an article and a direct quote of statements from the article. Maybe you could try linking documents you approve of that answers a persons question in the future?
My apologies if I misunderstood. There are just a lot of gun nuts out there who would twist the two points you coincidentally highlighted in order to claim that regulation of these things is pointless when that simply is not the case (especially when "home made" is a half truth). Since you clearly agree, then again, my apologies.
This is the stupidest thing I've ever read on the internet. Sure give up all your rights as a citizen based on one (probably fake, but either way) story about a single supposed situation where someone outgunned the police
Fucking bootlicker
Ah yeah, I remember giving up my rights as a citizen in 1996 when Thomas Hamilton outgunned a bunch of children in a primary school
We seem to be doing just fine here without our rights, oddly enough, along with the rest of modernity
I think having some higher power weapons for law enforcement in case it ever comes to that is (while related) a different problem than police militarization. I think the best bet would to be have specialized units for those extreme cases they could reasonably deploy in a timely/effective manner. Every cop having access to surplus military gear is a huge problem and I wish weren't to a point where having specific units was even a necessity.
These deluded right-wingers don't care about what's true, unfortunately.
Pointing out the likely catalyst that triggered all of the police militarization makes me a bootlicker?
Well that's one way to missinterpret things!