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Thousands of people rallied in cities across Germany on Sunday to protest right-wing extremism and demand a ban on the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party.

The demonstrations were organized by the network Together Against the Right and other civil society groups.

In Berlin, protesters gathered at the Brandenburg Gate, with police estimating the crowd at around 4,000 by late afternoon, while organizers claimed approximately 7,500 participants. Around 2,500 demonstrators also took to the streets in Munich, with rallies announced in more than 60 cities nationwide.

Organizers urged political leaders to begin formal proceedings to outlaw the far-right AfD, Germany's largest opposition party.

In a statement, they argued that the issue of banning the party should be seen not as a political decision, but as a legal matter.

"To clarify this, politicians must find the courage to file a motion for a ban," it said.

The organizers are calling on the Bundestag and Bundesrat legislative bodies, as well as the new federal government under Chancellor Friedrich Merz, to initiate ban proceedings against the AfD before the Federal Constitutional Court.

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The AfD is known for its anti-immigration, anti-Muslim, eurosceptic and nationalist rhetoric. The populist party has been a flashpoint in German political life for more than a decade. It has benefited in recent years by tapping into economic discontent and growing unease over refugees.

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[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 42 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

To all of my European friends, please remember that AfD (and other similar groups) are merely a symptom, not the disease itself. You have to identify and address the root cause of why AfD has any meaningful support.

[–] gaael@lemm.ee 6 points 2 hours ago

To keep using your metaphor, when you have a severe fever due to an infection, you usually want to treat the fever because although it's a symptom it can hurt/kill you if left alone.

Having extremist/neo-nazis/fascist parties participate in the elections and maybe winning them (hello USA) makes it a lot more difficult to treat the root causes. The less space, means and influence they are given, the better.

This being said, I agree with you that once the dangerous symptom has been treated, we need to treat the root causes or the symptom is going to come back.

[–] AnonomousWolf@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

This is important.

Else a Afd2.0 would pop up over night, with many of their supporters angered.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 5 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Not really. The hurdles to banning a party in Germany is very steep, but once taken, all follow-on offsprings can be banned under the same ruling. As long as they share some of the same people or ideologies, they'd be out in no time; plus all funding would have been seized, making it all the harder to regroup and return.

[–] AnonomousWolf@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Their supporters would still be there, that's what we need to solve.

When Pablo Escobar's cartel got taken down and he was killed, new better organised cartels popped up to take it's place.

We need to fix Demand, not Supply

If the demand grows to over about 50% of the population there would be nothing to stop them.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Cartels don't need to be recognized on a federal level to begin operations. A party is a different thing.

[–] AnonomousWolf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Fiar.

But as long as the demand is there parties will shift to align with the voters.

[–] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 0 points 2 hours ago

And while that is good I still see the problem in it. Political mobilisation today mostly takes place online and the ideology underpinning AfD, and other parties like them, aren't going away because the party is banned. Rather, now the story (to the followers) will be that the German establishment is undemocratic and that society is against them. And far-right leaders can - sadly kind of rightfully.. - claim that they represent the most popular party, that the government is scared of them, and that they represent the "silent majority".

Now, it's not easy because you can't just let them exist forever either, but if a ban is the main measure the root problem just won't be adressed. Romania banned Georgescu and now they'll probably get Simion instead..

And to be clear the true root problem, in my opinion, is the social media misinformation campaigns pushed by China, Russia, and, sadly, USA.

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

And what do you think that is? So far I blame algorithmic/targeted social media that leads to echo chambers and lowering living standards because of rising cost of living and prices without salaries keeping up.

But I'm also getting the impression that no one that can actually do anything about it is aware or cares enough to act so we are fucked either way.

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 0 points 2 hours ago

Mainly intentional disinformation about russia attacking Ukraine and intentional disinformation regarding immigration.

People think because there are more darker skinned people arround it's the reason their life is getting worse. (While actually it's increased inequality)

TL,DR: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram.

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 17 points 14 hours ago

There’s definitely education (or lack there of) and propaganda, but the main issue is wealth inequality in this neo liberal, capitalist world

Wages have stagnated and everything is much more expensive. The quality of life of the majority of the population is massively worse than before. Yes we have cool gadgets and better healthcare due to technological advancements but the crux of the matter is that exploitation is tru the roof. People work 2 and 3 jobs and can’t make ends meet. Meanwhile billionaires get richer and richer in increasing pace.

Public services get cut, people get ask to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and they look for someone to blame and are told to look down (to immigrants) instead of up (to the ultra rich).

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 14 points 16 hours ago

Disclaimer: Not European, so this is my perception about the similar rise in the US.

Part of it is economics, and the general decline of (personal) prosperity. People can't afford the things needed for a comfortable life. That includes housing, heat, food, and entertainment.

Part of it is definitely propaganda. No matter what the issue is, you can find countless sources pointing to whatever enemy you might think of. And people flock to it, choosing their own echo chambers. Side note: Lemmy is very much part of this, although typically in the opposite direction than what boosts AfD.

But I think the biggest factor is education, particularly in critical thinking. A lot of these movements promise an easy explanation and an easy fix. Real solutions never are. It takes a lot more effort to truly examine their claims, and it always comes with real downsides that people don't want. There also isn't a moment after any policy changes where people evaluate the results, and reevaluate the plan to figure out how to better get to their goals.