Europe
Europe community on dbzer0. Intended to be a place to discuss European news, politics, or just general topics from a European perspective. Since this is on dbzer0 expect the community to lean more leftist-anarchist but a wide range of views are accepted here (within reason).
Rules:
1. No Bigotry
Any forms of Homophobia, Transphobia, Queerphobia, Racism, or Ableism will be met with swift and harsh action and will not be tolerated here whatsoever. Bigots will be banned immediately on-sight. This includes apologia of it.
2. No Zionism
Any forms of Zionism or Zionist rhetoric will not be tolerated here, this includes Zionist apologia, accusations of antisemitism towards anti-Zionists, or blatant denial or downplaying of the genocide towards Palestinians. Any attempt to uphold or prop up the IHRA definition of antisemitism, will be treated as Zionism.
Anyone engaging in Pro-Zionist sentiment or apologia will be actioned in accordance with its severity.
3. Stay Civil
Please maintain civil discourse in the community. Do not engage in arguments with others, name-calling, or insults. Note that calling out bigotry or Zionism is not considered an insult. In heated arguments users are encouraged to or even required to disengage failure to do so will result in mod action.
4. No Misinformation
Spreading of misinformation intentionally in this community is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Spreading misinformation hurts the credibility of the community and can mislead people sometimes in dangerous ways. Users who intentionally post misinformation as articles, comment answers, or in attempt to win arguments will be actioned swiftly.
5. No AI Content
Please do not post articles or content primarily created using generative AI. Generative AI content may contain misinformation or be lower quality and thus is discouraged. Posts and comments featuring it will be removed. However this community does not allow or tolerate Anti-AI trolling or hostility and users who engage in such behavior will be actioned for it, additionally Anti-AI trolling violates Rule 3 and often Rule 4 so it is generally unacceptable already.
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Demonstrators who cause unrest and division in the population by demonstrating for political issues in other countries. Should basically be taken from the demonstrations to the airport and put on the next plane that flies to the country they are demonstrating for. I'm not just referring to pro-Palestinians, but to everyone. It is unacceptable for people to flee to democratic countries and instead of fighting for cohesion here, they are instead fighting for the division and collapse of democracy. Example: Just so that they continue to vote for a dictatorship in Turkey, for example, while the people there suffer. Which was the case with Erdogan's election. Above all, however, all these demonstrations are also costly and at the expense of taxpayers.... after all, everything has to be secured with the appropriate police force, etc. Or "Demonstrations" Just for praise the killed americans/eurpeans ( which included Kids which was kidnapped, raped, forced birth etc )... Wrong place for this Demonstrations
No, that cannot and must not happen. If someone wants to demonstrate for political issues outside Europe. Let them fucking go there!
Above all the cost of policing is what you are concerned about? What a deeply unserious position.
That there are ALWAYS arguments. Which take place in a democracy, but for internal political affairs in OTHER countries outside Europe and against democratic values and human rights . etc. But what am I talking about... if you also approve of the "demonstrations" that only serve to celebrate the killing etc. and those killed on October 12, for example. Then I wonder what's wrong with you.
The protests are in support of human rights. Germany is in the business of selling weapons to Israel to continue the genocide in Gaza, and seems to be trying to suppress any criticism by labelling critics as anti-semitic. Two genocides don't cancel each other out. Even IF your argument was morally defensible, you can only claim it is an external political matter if Germany stops supplying weapons to Israel. Also, ACAB.
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Who is against democratic values and abolished democracy in the first election and saw Hamas as an ally? Oh, the Palestinians who at that time were still dreaming of a worldwide genocide of Jews (not Zionists). Let an enemy of democracy and dictatorship sympathizer call me an idiot. Lol. Get out of democracy
Where did I even mention Hamas, sweetie?
He has to work Hamas into his posts, other wise boss gets mad
The tens of millions Israel spends on PR (including ppl to comment this hasbara crap) won't change the tide. People are finally seeing how unimaginably evil the ethnic cleansing of Zionism is, now that their genocide has been live streamed for over a year nonstop against a civilian population that's mostly children.
Israelie and pro Israeli shill ops budgets are likely into billions TBH
But no amount propaganda can cover up what they are doing in Gaza. They over played their hand IMHO but it will take a generation for us and Europe to adjust their foreign policy with Israel
Apartheid and settler colonialism is not Democratic.
It's practically impossible to have a democracy when under Apartheid, especially when Israel routinely assassinates and imprisons political leaders, in particular ones that are more moderate or left than Hamas.
Palestinian resistance has never advocated for genocide, unlike Zionism which is explicitly centered on the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinians from historic Palestine. Even prior to the nakba, a binational one-state based on equal rights was repeatedly advocated for by the Palestinians, while Zionism rejected this to instead plan it's deliberate expulsion of hundreds of Palestinian towns to establish Israel.
Hamas grew as a resistance to Apartheid and violent oppression
People Claim a Majority of Palestinians in Gaza Elected Hamas — Here's Why It Isn't That Simple
Israel propped up Hamas to justify it's routine bombing of the Gaza civilian population
More sources you ignored from last time:
https://lemmy.world/comment/16923492
Stop projecting you're fascist beliefs onto the victims of over 76 years of deliberate ethnic cleansing.