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[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They are "fucking with" NATO, historically, but not attack. Lots of "im not touching you im not touching you" on the borders and north sea. Military submarines where they are not supposed to be. Sudden declarations of artillery practice in international waters causing ship travel to reroute, then not actually doing practice...

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This needs to be said over and over - Russia is and has been at war with NATO for over a decade and NATO doesn't seem to even realize it.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 11 hours ago

They're constantly probing to see how much they can get away with without provoking a reaction.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

At war for over a decade is a bit of a stretch.

The most direct confrontation was Turkiye shooting down Russian jets that flew into their airspace when bombing in Syria about ten years ago. During Azerbaidschans attacks on Armenia both NATO and Russia made sure to not get into direct contact. Nothing came out of it directly. The sabotages in Europe that are organized by Russia have been a thing since 2022, maybe late 2021 unless i missed some.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 11 hours ago

And let's not forget the assassinations carried out using nerve agents and radioactive materials.

[–] sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Depends on your definition of 'war'. They've definitely been in rightist America's ear about abandoning NATO since 2016.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 11 hours ago

Fifth-column activities are definitely acts of war. Their role in inflicting Trump on us was an undeniable act of war.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So is the US in Europe, South America, Middle East, Israel in all of the West, EU countries in Africa, China all over the world....

Trying to influence domestic policies in other countries is shitty, but it isnt war. Otherwise we are already in WW3 since many years.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Trying to influence domestic policies in other countries is shitty, but it isnt war.

When done by a hostile power, yes it is.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 10 hours ago

Is there a non hostile influence by foreign powers on domestic policies?

And by this logic we are already in World War III. Seems pretty calm still all things considered...