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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

You need enough capital that you can make enough in capital gains and dividends to live off of in a 4% down year.

Most people in this country could live off of $2,500,000 if it's stashed in an index fund. $9,000,000 is more than anyone ever needs.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 15 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You can get 4% from a high yield savings account. That's insured. That's still $360,000 a year (taxed as income). You don't need to expose yourself to a lot of markets and "down years" . I mean, if the us government collapses and insured accounts are lost we all have bigger problems.

At 2.5mm you'd still be fine at 4%. Six figure salary for doing jack squat.

Of course, not everyone can budget and they might burn into their principle. But, like, don't do that. 🀷

[–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sure but inflation will eat into that over time. The point of the market approach is you can withdraw that amount in real dollars for 30 years after accounting for interest and inflation

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 4 points 1 day ago

That's a good point. I think that's why most financial advice recommends a mixed portfolio. Index funds that follow the market, but also like bonds and safer things.

If I luck into seven figures of money, I think I'd hire a professional to give advice. Or at least do a lot of research.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yields are down a bit right now, unless you're willing to go with a sketchy, not sure if FDIC insured "bank."

Currently I'm seeing rates of around 3.5%, or 3.63 APY.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

If you look at internet saving banks they have yields up to 4.4% right now.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 day ago

Betterment offers 4%, insured up to $2m. I think you can go higher with a refer-a-friend , but that program might be over.

[–] Denjin 2 points 1 day ago

I could have an identical quality of life to what I have now with Β£1.2M

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can get 4% from a high yield savings account. That’s insured.

For now, but you make a solid point. It depends on one's risk threshold, but I appreciate you adding that in.

[–] Nerrad@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's just break even purchasing power. In USA, invest $1000 at 4% earns $40. Federal and State taxes will take $10. The remainder will be dissolved by 3% inflation. And when you go to spend it, sales tax pushes your 'yield' into the negative.

4% isnt the easy street it appears to be.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yes, that's why it's the worst case scenario in this discussion.