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I have realized a lot of posts on here mostly criticizing the data collection of people to train A.I, but I don't think A.I upon itself is bad, because A.I- like software development- has many ways of implementations: Software can either control the user, or the user can control the software, and also like software development, some software might be for negative purposes while others may be for better purposes, so saying "Fuck Software" just because of software that controls the user feels pretty unfair, and I know A.I might be used for replacing jobs, but that has happened many times before, and it is mostly a positive move forward like with the internet. Now, I'm not trying to start a big ass debate on how A.I = Good, because as mentioned before, I believe that A.I is as good as its uses are. All I want to know from this post is why you hate A.I as a general topic. I'm currently writing a research paper on this topic, so I would like some opinion.

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[–] ZDL@ttrpg.network 4 points 9 hours ago

When most people talk about "hating AI" they're talking the AI that is this wave before the next winter: (de)generative AI (whether based on LLM or diffusion or whatever ever other tripe drives things like GPT, DALL-E, Jukebox, etc.).

And yes, I hate AI in that sense, in that it is a dead end that is currently burning up the planet to produce subpar everything (words, images, music) while threatening the very foundation of cultural knowledge with obliteration.

AI in a broader sense, I don't hate. Even the earlier over-hyped-before-wintered AI technologies have found niche applications where they're useful, and once the grifters leave the (de)generative AI field we may find some use cases for AI there as well. (I think LLMs have a future, for example, in the field of translation: I've been experimenting with that domain and once the techbrodude know-it-all personality is excised from the LLMs and the phrase "I don't know" is actually incorporated properly I think it could be very valuable there. You still have to look out for hallucinations, though.)

But (de)generative AI in general is overhyped shit. And it's overhyped shit that cannot be meaningfully improved (indeed latter-day models turn out to be worse than earlier ones: ChatGPT4's suite is more prone to hallucination, for example, than ChatGPT3.5). So a whole lot of people are getting pressured, a whole lot of lives are being ruined, a whole lot of misinformation and active disinformation is being spewed by them ... but hey, at least we can have shit writing, shit art, and shit music!

I know A.I might be used for replacing jobs, but that has happened many times before, and it is mostly a positive move forward like with the internet.

This is an excuse used many times but it doesn't stand to inspection. Let's go with robots making cars. When the auto industry had massive layoffs in the '80s the median age for factory workers assembling cars was about the early '30s. What proportion of people in their '30s make any kind of transition to stable, well-paid careers when they're rendered redundant? (Hint: not very many.) An entire generation of the rust belt, in effect, because of automation, were shoved into poverty THAT WE STILL SEE TO THIS DAY. And that's one sector. Automation shit-canned a whole lot of sectors and the reverberations of that have echoed throughout my entire life. (Born in the '60s.)

The only "positive move forward" seen by these traumatically devastating technologies released willy-nilly into society with no mitigation plan is that rich fuckers get richer. Because, you know, Sam Altman needs more cash and not a punch to his oh-so-punchable face.