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Like, let's say that hypothetically China is not socialist. Why do they feel the need to equate it to the USA or to constantly diss it? Literally, no other country has 800 military bases abroad, and no other country will vulture the resources away from a fallen China like the USA would. So, being a Maoist to me just is helping the USA Intelligence departments. Literally, NATO and Western Imperialism are the main enemies, I don't get why some groups wouldn't want to take China as an ally. Even if they were ultra capitalist like the Maoist say, if the West falls is not like China would even be able to become the USA 2.0. They make up a dystopian future based on lies and fears and then equate that fake future to our current world, and end up equating an evil empire to a country that just wants to give the rest of the world another option.

Maoists feel like an "us vs the world" exclusive club to me

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[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with your view on those movements i just think that time runs too short. Like they'd need far too much time to get off the ground to be able to actually prevent the massive ecological and humanitarian disasters that are coming. Which need a lot of productive capacity to combat. And as climate change gets worse, and the west gets more overtly violent building those sorts of things just gets more difficult.

Its just a right time right place situation. China got a lot of the work done already and even places like Vietnam still need more time to get to the point they are at. Time which we really don't have anymore sadly imo.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think that China has more or less single-handedly saved the world, and just in-time.

Obviously, history is made by people and productive forces, and it's an hyperbole to say that China by itself saved the world. And nothing is locked in stone.

But China has done an extremely fucking excellent job over the past several decades, and managed to get it's hands and tentacles into every orifice of the capitalist's, to prevent socialism from being destroyed. China's policies have been lifting hundreds of millions of people, likely even billions, as the BRI advances, out of poverty, and fights back some of the worst excesses of capitalism.

And crucially, it's China's socialist model that is leading the charge in renewable energy/green technology, at massive goddamn scales, and is exporting and selling all of this to countries all over the world, especially the global south, allowing them to further develop and wrestle off the chains of capital.

While there is still a really long road ahead, and we shouldn't be complacent, I think/hope that the toughest part of this socialist/vs capitalist war is already over. It would take multiple acts of god to even slightly slow China down, and I doubt that even they would make a dent in China's heroic leadership and resolve.

And while climate change, pollution, environmental damage and ecocide will unfortunately likely remain a problem for a long time to come, China's initiatives have severely reduced the potential warming of the Earth, and just in the nick of time, to prevent the worst of the worst of the worst from happening.

If the CPC had waited even just a decade longer to begin it's process of revolutionizing green energy/renewable technology, A.I., microchips, I would be even more suicidal than I currently am.

It fucking horrifies me how easily China could have been successfully sabotaged/invaded/destroyed, and humanity likely being doomed, and global runaway climate change failing to be mitigated by China, and the green revolution/4th industrial revolution never kicking off or being delayed by just a few years, if Xi Jinping hadn't come into power and further mobilized the proletariat, or if Deng's gamble didn't pay off.

I hope to move with my family and I to China and be granted asylum/refugee status, and we're exploring our options.

But even if it doesn't pan out, I have an extremely small amount of solace, in the fact that China has likely already won and outmaneuvered the imperialists, before the war could turn hot. Socialism is the inescapable future.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 day ago

When you look deeply into it you realize how its socialism in general that made it possible too. Like China wouldn't exist as it does today without the early support of the USSR. Also Cuba, the DPRK and Vietnam taking the punishment they did at the hands of the US and WINNING. If Vietnam lost its war China would have been next. That much is a certainty imo. All these socialist nations did what they could, and China's one big advantage was its massive pool of labor. So it became the industrial hub of the world. All those little puzzle pieces laid the groundwork for this. Every socialist movement contributed in its own way. Every strike, every protest, slightly weakened the empire giving China the room it needed to grow. If Unions in the US hadn't been such a big threat, forcing them to make concessions and raise wages, then companies wouldn't have wanted to produce goods overseas instead for example. China has become the vehicle through which the wrath of generations of the global working class will finally slam down upon the capitalist world order. Will finally turn the tables against them.

I think most imagined a more direct conflict, and each nation being turned one at a time. But for the Chinese to have done what they did; Convincing the capitalists to GIVE them the means of production freely. Is mind boggling.

The Sprectre of Communism is an apt phrase. Many of the people who laid the groundwork for this are no longer with us. The seeds they planted though are. Perhaps the Americans were right in fearing communism would spread like dominos falling. Except instead of dominos its a dam finally breaking, and a tidal wave rushing forth the blanket the earth.