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Yes the bicycleist are wrong and are only hurting the cause. What if the lady had to get to work with no orher way, or what the hell they do if there was emergency that ambulance needed access. Riding bike on wrong side of the road just makes them assholes. If you don't know its a protest it ineffective. Besides protesting late at night is also dumb. This isn't a protest, just bicycles wanting to be dicks.
Protests need to make sure that no one is ever inconvenienced or made uncomfortable. That way people can just ignore it and we can all feel better about ourselves
That's why the best protests are done by leaving a very mildly offensive joke on mastodon.
Can you explain?
Sarcasm.
Oh, oops, thank you. I got stuck imagining that you were referring to something that actually worked 😂 hoo boy not my shining moment.
Be idealist all you want. If you try to convince someone to join or support your cause by angering them, it won't work. You form enemies, not allies.
If the purpose of this was to make the bikers feel good while turning people against bikers, I'm sure it worked. This protest isn't going to make someone in a car 30 minutes late and think "hey those cyclists just going through red lights, the wrong way, making me late, they got a real good point."
People need to be realistic and realize that whimsical ideals don't seamlessly translate to reality.
You are the white moderate MLK warned was worse the Klan members.
No, it doesn't make you racist. You're just showing the same moral failings as the white moderates MLK warned us about. You prefer an unjust peace to any struggle for justice. If you were in 1940s Germany, and you were stopped at a train track watching cattle cars full of people being taken to death camps, your only complaint would be that the train was blocking your path.
It's wild that you can claim to know exactly what I would do. A smart man would know better than to make such strong assumptions about someone's character.
Your logic doesn't hold up because this isn't a struggle for justice. This is people driving head on into traffic through a red light. What are they accomplishing with this, what justice are they championing? Being able to ignore all traffic laws and put themselves in danger by doing so?
By your warped world view I can do anything I want and say it's for a cause, and if you disagree you only want unjust peace. This is a blanket dumb stance you can take to literally justify anything. You can say ICE deporting everyone is right, and anyone saying it isn't only wants the unjust peace of illegals being here. No nuance. That's a dumb ass stance but your logic supports it.
This is paper thin logic hanging onto a concept you don't fully understand.
So the neat thing about ambulances, and other emergency vehicles, is they have flashing lights AND sierns to let people know they are there.
And protesters always swiftly move to let emergency vehicles through, because they know not to block actually useful vehicles like ambulances and fire engines
I agree, crowds of protesters are far more observant than drivers. I've seen ambulances stuck in new York traffic before
What a spectacular photo.
This guy has a picture of it happening once, in another country, with people stationary on foot, it has to be true. Unless there is a picture floating around out there of people not moving.... That would blow this whole thing up.
God, anecdotal evidence is such brain rot.
Nobody thinks this proves anything. If you think that is what is happening, tend to your own brain rot.
This is evidence supporting an argument, not evidence proving an argument. Feel free to provide contrary evidence.
Oh look, more brain rot.
I can find images of people not moving. That would go against the argument. My point is, cherry picking one or two instances of something proves only that it can happen. Not that it does.
I mean I Googled "protesters blocking emergency vehicles" and got tons of results. So what we a exactly does that picture prove? It happened once? Cool.
Very first result, incase you need it. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/just-stop-oil-waterloo-bridge-ambulance-b2443700.html
The protesters weren't the one blocking the ambulance. The cars were, and the cops didn't do anything to alleviate that so the ambulance could get through the cars and to the protesters who would've let it through anyway.
You should read the entire article when you try to do a gotcha.
And why were the cars blocking the road? Just think for 2 seconds lol. Protesters not moving, means cars can't move. Because despite what people here believe, normal people don't just drive through people.
The irony is you quoted the answer:
Congestion doesn't happen if they move out of the way of traffic. What do you think, everyone was just stopping to wave at them?
But lemme get a few more, just to make it clear.
During a protest on northbound I-5 in downtown Seattle, an ambulance transporting a critically ill 37-year-old man was delayed due to protesters blocking the highway. Medics reported being stuck in a standstill for about a mile. A Washington State Patrol trooper assisted in creating a lane for the ambulance to reach the hospital. The incident resulted in a 19-minute delay in reaching Harborview Medical Center.
Source: KOMO News https://komonews.com/news/local/downtown-protest-on-i-5-blocks-ambulance-carrying-patient-in-critical-condition-seattle-downtown-washington-state-patrol-harborview
Protesters blocked an ambulance outside the St. Petersburg Police Headquarters. The ambulance, which was not on an emergency call, had to reroute due to the demonstration. Police released video footage showing the incident.
Source: EMS1 https://www.ems1.com/protests/articles/video-controversy-stirred-after-protesters-block-fla-ambulance-ERIDfzTYNPzkC3U2
Just Stop Oil protesters blocked emergency vehicles during a demonstration in west London. Videos showed both a fire engine and an ambulance with blue lights unable to get through traffic. The Metropolitan Police arrested 28 protesters for “wilful obstruction of the highway.”
Source: The Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/just-stop-oil-block-ambulance-b2200208.html
Approximately 100–200 protesters blocked a highway, delaying an ambulance carrying a critically ill patient. Due to the delay, EMTs had to perform an emergency medical procedure in the ambulance instead of at the hospital.
Source: FOX61 https://www.fox61.com/article/news/local/outreach/awareness-months/hundreds-of-protestors-in-new-haven-block-ambulance-carrying-critically-ill-patient-1-arrested/520-cde15049-3446-4039-814a-7505edc43498
was that so hard?
close; it proves it DID happen, which necesarily implies it DOES happen. You are right to object that a single genuine datapoint (or as you like to spin it, "anecdote") cannot say anything about frequency, but I really have to steelman what you are saying to get there.
No, it's not hard to spoon feed someone information but I didn't think I had to. Fuck, everyone is just the give it to me now, I don't want to have to look into anything. People just take photos at face value and make judgment calls without even the most topical vetting. God this is depressing.
Close, it proves it did happen, which only proves it did happen once, that's it. It does not, in any way at all, ever, by any form of logic mean it still DOES happen. You can infer that, but that is not what it proves, at all.
A single data point by itself can easily be classified as an anomaly, meaning not normal. Without context you can't determine if it's the rule or the exception, only that it happened once. It could be a 1 trillion to 1 chance and it just happened to be that picture. We have no idea, it means nothing. Trying to act like it does is nothing short of using an unreliable data point (anecdote) to push a narrative.
That's been my experience, bikes also clear out way faster than cars.
Pretty much, more or less, yah.
And bikes are more agile and capable of getting out of the way than cars are
I'm guessing they would get out of the way?
Then she would have to pull over and wait 10-15 minutes for them to pass. Geez.
In an emergency there would be lights and ee-oo-ee-oo and the bikers would definitely part to let the emergency vehicle.
Literally about 30 seconds, not 10 minutes lol
It's a protest not a rally.
Be glad they're not carrying bricks.