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U should really switch to a firefox fork. The official version is fucked.
Is it really fucked? Like, it works great IMO... What's wrong with it?
i love how you comment under a post showing you an example
This post shows me how it's fucked?
🤷♂️ I don't see it.
Personally, I think it's fucked that Mozilla slowly transformed Pocket from a standalone article collecting extension, to a mandatory chunk of code built into the browser, to a feed of Mozilla-selected stories and ads with the label filed off.
Meanwhile, the browser isn't losing the one piece of bloat that (AFAIK) the original Pocket users never wanted anyway.
You'll be happy to hear that they're killing off Pocket
Not really, because the service is dead but Sponsored Stories (now going by a generic name) remain
The problem is that you don't get as much attention without hyperbole
Which one do you recommend and why?
Librewolf and Waterfox are good.
Librewolf is the best IMO. If u want persistent logins u gotta go change the sheetings not to wipe everything tho.
Note that for me Librewolf breaks several sites, sadly
I've found u they aren't broken if u spoof a chromium user agent
Thanks, will try that
Swap for mullvad in those cases
Waterfox isn't bad. https://www.waterfox.net/
I like floorp, it's very customisable!
I'm enjoying Zen, really gets out of your way nicely. Does a bunch of things I used to hack in userChrome.css better, still reasonably secure as best I can tell, it's not librewolf but it's still firefox so I add back the normal privacy add-ons, about:settings etc, but the UX uplift is worth it.
That said, without the firefox base we're all fucked, so this, and their general culture, is really quite disturbing.
What are you going to do when the paid Firefox dev team stops developing it?
Donate to the hopefully less greed driven and user data hungry people that will take up the development.
I don't think you understand, the majority of the heavy lifting browser development is done by the paid devs at Mozilla. If they stop updating the browser none of the down stream forks are going to be able to replace the work they're doing.
Why wouldnt they? The majority of money at Mozilla has been going to worthless management people and side projects nobody wants. Only a tiny fraction of the money Mozilla spends would be required to pay the devs that actually develop Firefox. Im saying Firefox needs to be hard forked and Mozilla can go to shit for all i care. As long as Mozilla exists, nobody will do it so maybe its even necessary for Mozilla to die.
Would you have a source that details how Mozilla spends money on the software development of Firefox vs other projects? I couldn't find it in the financial report, so I guess you have another source.
We have demonstrable evidence of Mozilla opening a public forum to solicit user requests in 2022, then ignoring them for about 2 years, then hating the forum to announce Shopping Assistant and Orbit and other now-dead things
But how much of their resources did that represent? 1%, 10%, 50%? This being a problem really depends on that number.
They are trying to find ways to earn money independent of Google royalties so they can keep making massive FOSS projects, that compete with FAANG technology, independently. For me all the community troubles and failed projects mostly show how hard this is.
No, i made it the fuck up. But if you look at how many actual code changes happen on each release and then substract all the shit that nobody wants, there is little left. Firefox is basically in maintainance mode the way i see it. If you then look at all the other stuff mozilla is doing (ad tech, AI garbage, useless cloud features, marketing) you get a picture of where the management is placing priority. Things that lead to monetization. There are a few cool things like Thunderbird and Mozilla Location Service, but the latter has already been killed off sadly.
While true, its unlikely the fork devs will fund raise enough.
Paid by who
Mozilla Corporation, who gets more than 80% of its funds from Google, around $500 millions, who does that to ensure Google search remains the default and to avoid antitrust issue if Chrome because even more dominant.
Firefox forks will likely not be able to secure such funding and pay the engineers required to further develop a web browser fully independent of Chromium.