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France to ban female students from wearing abayas in state schools (www.bbc.com)
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[-] LazyKoala@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago

So much for freedom of religion.

"When you walk into a classroom, you shouldn't be able to identify the pupils' religion just by looking at them,"

What a dumb fucking reason. Really, that's the best he could come up with? Why not? What's so bad about knowing someone's religion, when they are obviously not shy about it?

I get banning religious symbols from schools, because the institutes themselves are supposed to be non-religious (seperation of state and church and so on), but if the students themselves want to express their religion, let them.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

French laicite is not freedom of religion, as the Anglosphere would understand it. (Which makes their insistence that it's just the direct translation of "secularism" frustrating.) It's a consistent effort to make religion every individual's private business.

Compare fucking. You can do whatever you want with whoever you want. Just not on a street corner. Other people don't want to deal with that.

I don't personally endorse this approach, for a variety of reasons, but you have to understand it to condemn it.

[-] LazyKoala@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago

That's very interesting, I didn't know that.

I wasn't talking about Frances interpretation though, as I'm obviously not well informed on that. I was more thinking about the EU commitment to freedom of religion as stated in the "EU Guidelines on the promotion and protection of freedom of religion or belief", in which all EU member states commit to protijg the freedom of religion in the EU (and even outside if possible, see OSCE).

Just as a small excerpt:

(b) the freedom to manifest one's religion or belief, individually or in community with others, in public or private, through worship, observance, practice and teaching.

This includes the duty to rescind discriminatory legislation, implement legislation that protects freedom of religion or belief, and halt official practices that cause discrimination, as well as to protect people from discrimination by state and other influential actors, whether religious or non-religious

So the state has a responsibility to protect the freedom of religion, within it's territory.

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