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I think the main error in your thinking is that you severely underestimate the magnitude of evil that Israel has inflicted on the world. 750,000 Palestinians ethnically cleansed in the Nakba, 400,000 arabs (mostly Palestinians but also Syrians) ethnically cleansed as a result of the June 1967 war, 3500 Palestinian refugees murdered over two nights in Sabra and Shatila, the illegal settlements, the apartheid (this word covers more than I can cover, I hope you don't underestimate the extent of what this means), the mowing the lawn operations, the current ongoing genocide, the blockade of Gaza in 2008, the intentional and unpunished rape of Palestinian prisoners, the continual illegal invasions of neighboring countries every decade from the 60s to now. Iran, while bad, does not hold a candle to what suffering, violence, child murder, Israel has meted out over 77 years. When people say Israel are the Nazis of today, they are not exaggerating.
Personally, I would support the US in WWII, despite slavery, despite the Jim Crow laws, despite the atom bombs, despite being founded on genocide, and so on, and others wouldn't because both sides bad. Purity politics (which is what you're advocating for) does not stop holocausts. I think you agree with me on this judgement. I also think that you're underinformed, and that that's why you think the same reasoning doesn't apply here.
As plainly I can put it:
The nation-states of Iran and Israel have a "right to exist", inasmuch as they actually serve the interests of the people they claim to govern within internationally recognized territorial borders.
The regimes that hold power in those nation-states must be tried for crimes against humanity and executed as war-criminals.
They will reap what they've sown in this messianic decades-long tit-for-tat, and I will drink to their demise, assuming they don't drag the world into nuclear armageddon.
We fundamentally see geopolitical culpability in that region completely differently.
You: Zionists are worse than Islamists.
Me: They're equally horrific, and I hope they both die.
We're at an impasse.
We're not necessarily at an impasse! Use facts to back up your assertions about Iran. Give examples. Argue for your position. Personally I would really appreciate that, because I'm very open to the possibility of being wrong! I know the basics of Iranian history, so there's probably a lot that I don't know that could convince me that they're at the same magnitude of badness as Israel. And if you're basing the idea that Iran is as bad as Israel on actual historical facts, and not just pulling it out of your ass as you're currently making it seem, I could stand to learn a lot from you, and you could convince someone of your position. That's a win-win.
To be clear, you are asking me to list the crimes of the Shi-ah Islamist regime in Iran since their revolution in the '70s?
If so, I can try, but I must work first. I can compile it after the day is finished.