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Lady regrets voting for Trump after her terminally ill, undocumented father is detained.
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this post was submitted on 18 Jun 2025
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I can't help but feel bad for her and her family.
And as much as we want to laugh at her, that doesn't help. A lot of people need to see how their mistakes affect them before they get it.
This country needs to be united, and anyone that wants to defect left should be welcomed. Show them the light and how they were lied to and manipulated. Grow our numbers. Teach people compassion.
But if we ostracize her, she'll just end up back into her media sphere and voting against the betterment of this country again.
If she was right in front of me I’d be gentle, say I’m proud of her for realizing the truth even if it was a little late, and try to help at least by making her some tea or something.
But from over here? Bruh I still hope she gets her dad back and shit, and I do feel bad because she’s clearly stupid as all hell so from her perspective this was a sudden and unexpected betrayal, but holy shit I do love these posts. Trump was beyond obviously evil and maintained that very public energy for a decade yet people still gave him the popular vote in 2024. Harris should have been the right-wing candidate but instead the US made her the only option against the super far right.
She deserved this, she helped make this happen. There are only so many times you can beg someone not to drink bleach before you just don’t have the empathy to do anything about it. And I still do, I’ll never let it go completely, but I’m not going to pander to these idiots and make their horrible opinions feel valid.
"I knew he was twirling his mustache and tying people to rain road tracks, but I didn't know it was gonna be some I knew!"
I hope she gets deported right alongside him. FAFO bitch.
Do you not remember how this went the past 15 times it happened in the past 3 decades?
"Welcoming" them back teaches them that their actions have no consequences. Many conservatives entrench and intensify their vile worldviews precisely because they know that their social circles will remain under the justification of "It's just politics". They dial it back when they receive pushback or punishment, and intensify it in time for the next election. Every. Goddamn. Time.
They aren't 'defecting left'. They're sad that they, personally, were harmed; and they will continue to advocate for others to be harmed as soon as their ultra-fucked rationalization of vile behavior either triggers on its own, or is 'guided' by their favorite media or memes.
Nope. Fuck them. They got exactly what they voted for. This is probably one of the few things Trump didn't lie about.
You do realize continuously antagonizing them is exactly what they want right? It makes you no different from them.
But there's a difference between allowing someone the opportunity to take responsibility for their actions and change, and antagonizing them.
"Hey, sorry this happened to you and your family. We are going to fight to stop these policies. Will you join us in our fight against Republicans, the people who did this to you?"
If yes, you get an ally.
If no, then fuck 'em is an appropriate response.
Resistance to fascism needs all the help it can get. Including those who fucked up and are now willing to join the fight, as long as the scales have really fallen from their eyes. Most people like this got duped. They're victims too.
If you go straight to "fuck 'em", they disengage, which is a win for fascism. They want the populous afraid and disengaged.
But yeah, if they're like the business owners who complained about the tariffs and said they'd still vote for Trump again? Fuck 'em.
Yeah but no one here is actually antagonizing this person. They have no idea we're here talking shit about them.
If they were in front of me I wouldn't antagonize them and cross my fingers that the pain they're feeling is sufficient to teach them a lesson, although I don't have much faith in conservatives learning anything. And that opinion is based off talking to A LOT of conservatives over the last decade or two.
The only conservatives I antagonize are the ones that comment hateful, stupid shit online, trying to spread a hateful ideology or misinformation from the safety of their parent's basements.
That being said, I actually want conservatives to see people talking shit about them online. Because that's not the same as direct antagonizing. If you see someone do something you do and they're getting chastised and outcast for it, you may think twice about your behavior before it happens to you.
Not that conservatives feel shame. It's pretty clear at this point that they do not. You're coming from a place where you think these people are redeemable, but there's mountains of evidence indicating they are not. I remember the Bush Jr years. There was a miniscule fraction of conservative voters that acknowledged he was a mistake after the fact, but most didn't and went about their lives like they didn't fuck up.
I recognise that no one here was antagonizing this person, but this genre of Schadenfreude is getting quite popular. While it is satisfying, it isn't effective at achieving the goal of change. (I'm assuming that we agree that change is a more important goal than satisfaction).
If you only antagonize the worst of the worst and your filter for that is perfect my comment wasn't directed at you.
I also agree that if you can establish that they are unrepentant/shameless, then the tactics you refer to (social othering, etc.) are more likely to be effective.
I think your final paragraph makes my point, though. Even in the relative electoral college "landslide" of the 2024 election, a small percentage of votes in the right states would have changed the outcome of the presidential election. If we target that small fraction of regretful voters and welcome them to the side of justice (without absolving them of their prior transgression, but also without mockery), that can tip the scales.
I am trying to encourage you and others here to keep the eyes on the prize: change. We do that by winning hearts and minds. We can't win hearts and minds when we ostracize as our FIRST move.
(Once you find out that they're shameless, no argument from me)
Chef's kiss. Perfection.
Nice point! I feel so ashamed. We should love our fellow human beings, even the ones that voted for the literal rise of fascism. Seriously tho ... fuck anyone that voted for this. If that puts me on the same low level as MAGA ... good ... at least I can gnaw on their head while in hell (Dante's Inferno reference).
That's a stupid take.
It definitely makes us different from them. Also I am not quite understanding your logic here. If they want us to antagonise them, what is the issue?
How much hateful right wing rhetoric do you think she happily enjoyed and shared during her stint as a Trumpist? There is a pretty high chance that it is higher than zero.
I don't.
Stupid people can only learn through suffering. It was inevitable for this woman to suffer to become less ignorant. The suffering was going to happen one way or another.
She could have done her homework. She chose not to. It's not like actual data/information is being withheld from her, kept behind lock and key. She just chose not to look it up.
I'll 100% accept this woman into the fold, but ONLY if she accepts her mistake. Have you talked to a lot of conservative voters? A common theme is not accepting the fault for their actions. I want acknowledgement before I accept any of these clowns. Stupid is dangerous and I don't want them anywhere near me until I know they can learn from their mistakes.
You have to understand that transgressing liberal morality is completely unforgivable. Voting is the most important thing! The only thing! No mercy for your dad (depending on if/how he voted). Let the infidels burn in the fires of helll!!!!! \s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion