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[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Our grid uses the same voltages as Europe. Our houses even generally receive 240V from the line. It's just that we went with 120V for most appliances and electronics for some reason.

I'd also argue a lot of Americans technically do have electric kettles, and they just don't realize it because they're advertised as coffee makers. It's not ideal, but you can definitely use a drip coffee machine to boil water, and it'll still be faster than a stove.

[–] cinnabarfaun@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately for every tea drinker in an American hotel, most coffee makers (at least the drip kind) will make any water boiled inside taste like coffee, unless they've been used exclusively for plain boiled water. Maybe a combo tea/coffee drinker wouldn't mind, but I've always found it intolerable.

But it's a good point about the grid - we have plenty of appliances for coffee that are principally glorified water boilers, and there's no evidence that our appliance voltage has hampered their popularity at all.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 21 hours ago

As a combo tea/coffee drink, it tastes horrible. Nobody wants tea flavored coffee or coffee flavored tea. Although you usually don't get tea flavored coffee in those hotel drip makers, but only because the grounds they use are shit tier quality and taste too burnt to even get tea flavors.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

it really doesn't. european houses generally receive 400V from the line, split into 3 220V phases. you guys get two 120V phases that are fully phase-shifted, rather than 120° offset, and you bridge two phases to get 240 for heavy appliances.

[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

It's mostly for commercial installations, but you can get 3-phase 480V here if you want it.

I don't think this has much to do with the grid, though. It's more that we started with 120V appliances, so that's what we built our homes to support.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 21 hours ago

You get 3-phase in the US if you live in a large apartment complex. Especially if it has an elevator. Since this combines to get 208V, the math works out to making your 240V stove only 75% of what it should be.

For residential use, split phase is fine. We just run the two legs to get 240V on the specific things that need it. That's generally electric stoves, water heaters, AC unit, electric dryer, and more recently, EV chargers. 3-phase is great when you're driving something that spins with a high draw, and of those, only the AC unit does that (electric dryers spend most of their electricity heating, not spinning).

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Edison distributed +-110V DC against neutral, three wires, your AC system was designed to use those exact wires, then you expanded that compromise to the whole continent.

Europe in the beginning also had those small insular installations with odd systems but once it came to actually hooking up whole countries everyone opted for three-phase because it's the most sensible option. Whether or not the distribution network itself uses three conductors (just the phases) or four (plus neutral, or combined earth+neutral) differs quite wildly. Train electricity is still a clusterfuck.