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On its own that's misleading, you should be using the per capita stats.
I'm sure he hasn't got a clue how many Chinese there are, or where China is.
All that matters is China bad, commie bad
Per capita is misleading, it over represents low populations and under represents high populations
When you use it, it makes Canadian cities appear more violent than American cities as an example
Per Capita shows that China has a lower total prison population than a country much smaller than it in population. Both per capita and total counts are lower in the PRC despute having several times the population.
Yes, I can read the graphic and my own post
Per capita isn't misleading, it's more relevant than totals.
What's your point, here? Marxists are bad because China has a higher population, meaning per capita comparisons are more accurate when directly comparing with the US?
You complained about Marxists, calling them "tankies," same as "commie" or "pinko." Further, I don't agree that China is bad, as we can see it has a much lower prison population both in total and by ratio when compared to the US Empire.
I'm personally not planning on living in China, but I wouldn't be opposed at all. Moving is expensive, learning a new language is difficult, and I'd be leaving my extended family and friends behind, but on the plus side I'd get to live in a much better country that is consistently and constantly improving, rather than a dying Empire crumbling under its own contradictions.
Why do you hate Marxism so much?
Nobody genuinely "stans" countries. People support or condemn countries, with varying shades to each.
Further, a country being Socialist does not make it a magical utopia free from flaw. The PRC is better than the US Empire, but as I already said, I don't have the money to move and don't have the time or drive to devote to learning Mandarin. Neither of these are bad about the PRC, they just explain why it isn't so easy a thing to say as "just move, lol." It also erases that I want to help participate in building Socialism in the US, not just taking the easier path of abandoning it and letting everyone else struggle for that.
Moreover, the overwhelming majority of Marxist orgs at minimum support the PRC and DPRK. "Tankie" is just a pejorative for Marxist. There isn't much to debate with you, you haven't made a claim so much as you have spent time hating on Marxists.
The recommendation is ‘workers of the world, unite’, not ‘workers of the world, move somewhere that’s less shitty’.
The Chinese public would be more grateful if we overthrew our ruling class rather than moved to their country, for the simple fact that capitalism is a global phenomenon that harms both the international proletariat and the people’s republics.
Absolutely, Jax's argument is silly.
Me too.
I'm not arguing based simply on rhetoric, but based on logic. If, say, 90% of a given group is consistent and the remaining 10% go against that consistency, when you hate on the group for the 90% but claim the 10% are fine, you need to call into question the final 10%.
You aren't interested in debate with anyone, just shit-slinging against Marxists and trying to say fascism and communism are equivalent, in which case I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds. Further, it should be noted that liberalism and fascism aren't really separate ideologies, but the same ideology in different circumstances, fascism in decay and liberalism in plenty. Both are supportive of Capitalism, only socialism is genuinely capable of beating fascism.
Blue MAGA denying facts, literally the actual numbers and think that we just "feel' it's true" are pretty much the same as MAGA.
And yet, the USA still the 5th highest in incarceration numbers and the highest in absolute numbers.
I'd say that tells you enough