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[โ€“] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 hours ago (7 children)

Do states even have a legal way to secede?

[โ€“] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

To take this in a different direction, legal or not (considering the "higher power" generally gets to define what is and isn't legal and might do so for its own benefit rather than in the best interest of everyone, if there even is such a thing), how can it be determined if a subset of a power structure breaking away from that power structure is a good thing or bad thing? What arguments other than "we'll use force" are there to support a region needing to remain under the thumb of a power they no longer wish to serve?

[โ€“] Nojustice@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

See: American civil war

[โ€“] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't have a way to legally secede from Britain

[โ€“] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago

But this time there would be no ocean between the two sides.

No but there's no law against expelling a state from the union. Kind of a reverse secession if you can piss trump off enough for him to actually do it (no law saying that only Congress can expel them, so it would go to the courts).

[โ€“] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[โ€“] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Enshined in law, so that state can unilateraly decide to secede and federal govt must accept it.

[โ€“] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Nope. The south already tried that.

If you want to gain independence, you have to fight the federal government's monopoly on violence. At its core, that's how all law is backed up. Two things you need to be a country. First, the ability to backup your independence with force. Second, the acknowledgement of the international community and their willingness to sign treaties with you. Sealand doesn't have any issues defending their "independence", but no one has signed a treaty with them for instance.

[โ€“] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The Constitution of the US of frickin A

[โ€“] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence. And for as much as it is a foundational document of the US, it's also not a legal document.