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Democrats Shocked By Success Of Left-Wing Candidate Offering Left-Wing Policies To Left-Wing Voters
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Do you really think that Biden's "non governing" was worse than Drumphs autocratic "governing"? I think that if the stakes were less, then your approach may have merit. But right now, we're talking Drumph, and literally anything is better than what he offers.
Whataboutism.
The point is that ultra zionist neocon warmonger that is most Republican of anyone in DNC, while successful in replacing Trump in 2020, also kept him out of jail so he could run again, as the best candidate the DNC could hope for, until Oct 7th, when Israel first rule over America made DNC intentionally elect Trump as best Israel friend to "finish the job". The only important election platform of "defeat Trump" even if it motivates us to vote that way, is a very low bar, that doesn't turn into any progress or change.
I agree that not jailing Drumpf for life was a major failure. I do blame Merrick Garland for that, primarily, and Biden by extension as his boss. But that doesn't change a thing about TODAY'S situation, nor the importance of removing him again.
Stop living in the past. It's not really relevant, especially for those that don't learn.
Theoretically not facing Trump in 2028. DNC could nominate John Fetterman if pattern continues. AOC if she disavows Israel first rule, and proxy war on Russia could result in Mitt Romney as GOP candidate. instead of Rubio or Vance.
See what you are doing there? How you are trying to reframe the point into something it isn't?
The question if djt or Joe Biden being better is a non issue, because the election wasn't actually between two deeply unpopular candidates: it was between voting and not voting, and not voting won by a landslide.
If you don't change your understanding into these terms you'll never actually be able to push down facsism, because, as demonstrated, being a lessor evil simply isn't good enough. It's not a negotiation. There is no wiggle room. You fail to present a better option, and you are intentionally trying to lose.
I'll try to work it out, as people are currently dying in El Salvadorean concentration camps, of pregancy difficulties, and due to measles and any other medical denialism. As allies are betrayed to generational enemies, and Drumpf flirts with WW3. As the world, but especially the US economy crashes. As millions of people lose their jobs. I'll say it again for those who have their heads up their own asses. Drumpf must lose FIRST to potentially save the world. It's possible that it's already too late and that there will not be another election. The stakes can't be much higher. THEN fix your stupid electoral system.
You want the electorate to be different than it is. You want them to have seen the existential threat which Trump was and is. You want them to be engaged and committed to showing up even when there is nothing on the ballot for them. I wish that voters were better than they are too.
But this is reality and we don't get to base our strategies on how we wish things are. We have to base them on how they actually are. We can't run campaigns for the voters we wished we have access to, we have to base the campaigns on the voters we actually have access to.
You want the electorate to be different than it is; but it isn't. If you approach predicates the electorate be different than they are, you will lose.
You either meet the voters where they are at or you are making a conscious choice to lose.