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How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 116 points 5 days ago (59 children)

This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

Maybe they think the flooding won’t affect them on their moral high ground.

[–] torch_and_blanket@sopuli.xyz 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Oh, no doubt, but a worse foe lurks! Some people voted for Donald Trump.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Ha ha but You voted for Genocide!

/s

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

So did the protest non-voters, even moreso than the Democrat ones.

The non-genocide position was literally impossible to express no matter what you tried to do.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

No it existed. Harris is on record saying she'd like to work towards peace talks.

Which is objectively better than option B: vote GOP "finish them off" and option C: literally doing nothing.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Okay, fine: to the extent that a non-genocide position existed, Harris was it.

But the real point is that even if a person disagrees with you about that, they still should've voted for Harris. She was at least objectively not more genocidal than Trump, and infinitely better on basically every other issue.

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[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But at least we didn't help hurrying along the most recent great extinction!

I wonder if anything we built will last for the next sentient species that arises.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Well not voting in the American pres. election (or voting for someone sure to lose) was a half-vote for Donald. That's just math.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

They'll never claim an ounce of the responsibility they deserve, the fucking scumbags

[–] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I totally feel this frustration, and I'm not US so it's kinda not my business, but I don't buy this argument.

Trump America is a horror show, for sure. But the status quo before Trump is also the foundations that allowed America to become a new facist state. Any real solutions need to be bigger than what middle of the road Democrats are offering.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't vote against Trump. But the system is clearly broken, stop blaming victims of it, and start blaming its perpetrators.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

Status quo of Biden implementing Green energy, EVs, build back better, PACT act, chips act, student debt relief, Obama's healthcare. And you're equating this to .... status quo.... , and .... a foundation of a fascist state. ........

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Protest non-voters accounted for maybe 800k, while RFK accounted for 1.3m.

But sure, let's keep blaming voters instead of the Democrats that chose to represent Republican Lite™.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Republican lite at this moment sounds a lot more refreshing than Republican nazi

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

No shit. Trump whispered sweet nothings to those outside his MAGAt base by appealing to affordability and peace. Since then, he's followed through on exactly none of that.

In the past, people like Obama at least lied to Americans about what they would deliver as president, while shortly thereafter doing the same as Trump. Democrats in 2024 couldn't even lie their faces off by speaking to the same points as Trump. Well, Kamala did after first when she brought Walz on board, but that quickly changed come the DNC where she said she wouldn't diverge one bit from Biden.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm informing protest-non-voters what they actually voted for.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Ok, so protest non-voters accounted for 800k of the non-voting population in 2024.

Want to know how many didn't vote not because of protesting?

About 36% of eligible Americans didn't vote either D, R, or 3rd party in 2024. That's about 120 million Americans. 800k is less than 1% of 120mn.

You know these numbers, and you're still telling me that the protest non-voters were the issue: not that Democrats lost 8 million voters between 2020 and 2024?

Why do you think Democrats both failed to capture more voters despite the eligible voting population increasing from 2020 to 2024, and hemorrhaged their already existing base?

I'll wait for you to draw the conclusion that best suits your liberal comforts.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How do you know how many people who didn't vote did so because of protest?

6 MILLION MORE PEOPLE voted for Biden than Harris. That's a lot of people who just magically disappeared for reasons other than protest by your count. They weren't just undecided swing voters, either, because Trump's votes barely changed at all between 2020 and 2024.

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