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Uhura Appreciation Post (startrek.website)
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[-] BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago

Only an aspiring Trekkie over here. Can you explain this line? I don't follow.

[-] zarp86@sh.itjust.works 174 points 1 year ago

Uhura’s response, “sorry, neither,” is to the other meanings of those words. She is saying that she is neither fair—“pale-skinned”—nor a maiden—a “virgin.”

[-] nocturne213@lemm.ee 65 points 1 year ago

I always took it as she needed neither protection nor was she a fair maiden.

[-] nick@midwest.social 25 points 1 year ago

Both explanations are pretty great. She was a treasure.

[-] Marsupial@quokk.au 3 points 1 year ago

But you need to protect treasure!

[-] Ensign_Seitler@startrek.website 103 points 1 year ago

“Fair” in the context of this phrase is meant to convey “beautiful” but literally meant “light or pale skinned.”

“Maiden” is meant to convey “young woman,” but literally meant “virgin” (as in “maiden voyage”).

[-] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 1 year ago

literally meant “virgin” (as in “maiden voyage”)

I can't believe I never made this connection before.

[-] Disregard3145@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I learned this wrt romeo and juliet, maidenhead is the hymen or virginity (maidenhood?)

For reference the line in Romeo and Juliet was

Ay, the heads of the maids, or their maidenheads.
Take it in what sense thou wilt.
[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

How did Bill get that past the censors?!

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's amazing how far a little royal patronage can get you.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

On horseback, mainly.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

They'd never heard him tell a joke before.

[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's hilarious how Shakespeare's are seen in modern times considering what they were originally. They're full of dirty jokes and the accent they were originally performed in sounded nothing like the "modern" Received Pronunciation used today.

[-] constantokra@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Do you happen to know where to find whole plays done in the original pronunciation? I'm not exactly bad at finding things on the internet, but I can't find any of Shakespeare's plays in their original pronunciation, or more than a tiny bit of Chaucer's Canterbury tales in spoken middle English.

[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] constantokra@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks! I'd not found the 12th night or the sonnet before. I look forward to sitting down and watching it.

[-] linuxgator@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Neither had the maiden.

[-] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I never put that all together before.

[-] julianh@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

Fair can mean pale-skinned and maiden can mean virgin.

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