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Uhura Appreciation Post (startrek.website)
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[-] BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago

Only an aspiring Trekkie over here. Can you explain this line? I don't follow.

[-] zarp86@sh.itjust.works 174 points 1 year ago

Uhura’s response, “sorry, neither,” is to the other meanings of those words. She is saying that she is neither fair—“pale-skinned”—nor a maiden—a “virgin.”

[-] nocturne213@lemm.ee 65 points 1 year ago

I always took it as she needed neither protection nor was she a fair maiden.

[-] nick@midwest.social 25 points 1 year ago

Both explanations are pretty great. She was a treasure.

[-] Marsupial@quokk.au 3 points 1 year ago

But you need to protect treasure!

[-] Ensign_Seitler@startrek.website 103 points 1 year ago

“Fair” in the context of this phrase is meant to convey “beautiful” but literally meant “light or pale skinned.”

“Maiden” is meant to convey “young woman,” but literally meant “virgin” (as in “maiden voyage”).

[-] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 1 year ago

literally meant “virgin” (as in “maiden voyage”)

I can't believe I never made this connection before.

[-] Disregard3145@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I learned this wrt romeo and juliet, maidenhead is the hymen or virginity (maidenhood?)

For reference the line in Romeo and Juliet was

Ay, the heads of the maids, or their maidenheads.
Take it in what sense thou wilt.
[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

How did Bill get that past the censors?!

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's amazing how far a little royal patronage can get you.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

On horseback, mainly.

[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's hilarious how Shakespeare's are seen in modern times considering what they were originally. They're full of dirty jokes and the accent they were originally performed in sounded nothing like the "modern" Received Pronunciation used today.

[-] constantokra@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Do you happen to know where to find whole plays done in the original pronunciation? I'm not exactly bad at finding things on the internet, but I can't find any of Shakespeare's plays in their original pronunciation, or more than a tiny bit of Chaucer's Canterbury tales in spoken middle English.

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[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

They'd never heard him tell a joke before.

[-] linuxgator@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Neither had the maiden.

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[-] julianh@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

Fair can mean pale-skinned and maiden can mean virgin.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago

There was a short lived cartoon series between the last episode of TOS and the Motion Picture.

In one episode all the males are hypnotised by an alien creature, and the women have to save them.

The line was 'This is Lieutenant Uhura, I am in command of the Enterprise.'

The ad lib that was cut was '...at last.'

[-] kamenLady@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago

I didn't know that line was cut. It would have been so appropriate!

She was already suspicious from the very beginning. When Scotty got weird and started singing... the super creepy expression he had on his face. Jfc

She handled it perfectly

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Ominous Uhura face "Soon."

[-] victron@programming.dev 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Naked Time, I just watched this episode yesterday. (New fan here, watching for the first time). SPOCK WAS AWESOME.

[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 32 points 1 year ago

Oh my . . .

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Why would this need to be snuck passed the censors?

It’s funny, but it’s a fairly benign line.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

It seems odd to me too. Even if it was 60 years ago. "Fair", she's dark skinned, so not "fair" in that sense. And he's using "maiden" in the sense of "a girl or young woman", which she also isn't. Yes, you could also see a secondary meaning of "maiden" as in "virgin", but would the censors really block something that was only mildly sexual and only when taken out of context? Was "maiden" in the 60s seen as a much more sexual term or something?

[-] criitz@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago
[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Someone is almost as horny for Uhura as Mariner

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Well, it's certainly not Sulu. Oh my!

[-] CraigeryTheKid@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

Why would it have been censored?

[-] Stormyfemme@beehaw.org 40 points 1 year ago

“Maiden” used to imply virginity and “fair” implies light, usually white, skin. Doesn’t take a leap to figure out why censors in the 60s would have found it objectionable to call attention to that.

[-] CraigeryTheKid@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago

I wasn't even thinking about words like maiden having "deeper" meaning back then ... Thanks!

[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago

That’s why the term “Old Maid” used to be such a biting insult as well.

[-] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Doesn't it still mean virgin? If not what does it mean? Non-native speaker here.

[-] VindictiveJudge@startrek.website 12 points 1 year ago

Nowadays 'maiden' can just mean 'young woman'.

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[-] charonn0@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago

Oooh! Now I get it!

[-] zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I was hoping someone in the comments would have linked to the scene but I will instead: https://youtu.be/M58aP5DtNqY?t=165

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[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Shirtless Sulu can't harm you; he isn't real---

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

She was a gigastacy. fidel-salute-big

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