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[–] BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Only an aspiring Trekkie over here. Can you explain this line? I don't follow.

[–] zarp86@sh.itjust.works 174 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Uhura’s response, “sorry, neither,” is to the other meanings of those words. She is saying that she is neither fair—“pale-skinned”—nor a maiden—a “virgin.”

[–] nocturne213@lemm.ee 65 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I always took it as she needed neither protection nor was she a fair maiden.

[–] nick@midwest.social 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Both explanations are pretty great. She was a treasure.

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 3 points 2 years ago

But you need to protect treasure!

[–] Ensign_Seitler@startrek.website 103 points 2 years ago (2 children)

“Fair” in the context of this phrase is meant to convey “beautiful” but literally meant “light or pale skinned.”

“Maiden” is meant to convey “young woman,” but literally meant “virgin” (as in “maiden voyage”).

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 2 years ago (2 children)

literally meant “virgin” (as in “maiden voyage”)

I can't believe I never made this connection before.

[–] Disregard3145@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I learned this wrt romeo and juliet, maidenhead is the hymen or virginity (maidenhood?)

For reference the line in Romeo and Juliet was

Ay, the heads of the maids, or their maidenheads.
Take it in what sense thou wilt.
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

How did Bill get that past the censors?!

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's amazing how far a little royal patronage can get you.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

On horseback, mainly.

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's hilarious how Shakespeare's are seen in modern times considering what they were originally. They're full of dirty jokes and the accent they were originally performed in sounded nothing like the "modern" Received Pronunciation used today.

[–] constantokra@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Do you happen to know where to find whole plays done in the original pronunciation? I'm not exactly bad at finding things on the internet, but I can't find any of Shakespeare's plays in their original pronunciation, or more than a tiny bit of Chaucer's Canterbury tales in spoken middle English.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

They'd never heard him tell a joke before.

[–] linuxgator@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Neither had the maiden.

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[–] julianh@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

Fair can mean pale-skinned and maiden can mean virgin.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There was a short lived cartoon series between the last episode of TOS and the Motion Picture.

In one episode all the males are hypnotised by an alien creature, and the women have to save them.

The line was 'This is Lieutenant Uhura, I am in command of the Enterprise.'

The ad lib that was cut was '...at last.'

[–] kamenLady@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago

I didn't know that line was cut. It would have been so appropriate!

She was already suspicious from the very beginning. When Scotty got weird and started singing... the super creepy expression he had on his face. Jfc

She handled it perfectly

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Ominous Uhura face "Soon."

[–] victron@programming.dev 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The Naked Time, I just watched this episode yesterday. (New fan here, watching for the first time). SPOCK WAS AWESOME.

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 32 points 2 years ago

Oh my . . .

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why would this need to be snuck passed the censors?

It’s funny, but it’s a fairly benign line.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It seems odd to me too. Even if it was 60 years ago. "Fair", she's dark skinned, so not "fair" in that sense. And he's using "maiden" in the sense of "a girl or young woman", which she also isn't. Yes, you could also see a secondary meaning of "maiden" as in "virgin", but would the censors really block something that was only mildly sexual and only when taken out of context? Was "maiden" in the 60s seen as a much more sexual term or something?

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Someone is almost as horny for Uhura as Mariner

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Well, it's certainly not Sulu. Oh my!

[–] CraigeryTheKid@beehaw.org 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why would it have been censored?

[–] Stormyfemme@beehaw.org 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

“Maiden” used to imply virginity and “fair” implies light, usually white, skin. Doesn’t take a leap to figure out why censors in the 60s would have found it objectionable to call attention to that.

[–] CraigeryTheKid@beehaw.org 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I wasn't even thinking about words like maiden having "deeper" meaning back then ... Thanks!

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago

That’s why the term “Old Maid” used to be such a biting insult as well.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Doesn't it still mean virgin? If not what does it mean? Non-native speaker here.

[–] VindictiveJudge@startrek.website 12 points 2 years ago

Nowadays 'maiden' can just mean 'young woman'.

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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago

Oooh! Now I get it!

[–] zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was hoping someone in the comments would have linked to the scene but I will instead: https://youtu.be/M58aP5DtNqY?t=165

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[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Shirtless Sulu can't harm you; he isn't real---

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

She was a gigastacy. fidel-salute-big