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Video: ICE agents drive SUV through protesters at S.F. immigration court (missionlocal.org)

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[–] itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Mate without due process you don't know who's getting hanged for what. 'I saw _____(name whatever neighbor you don't like) collaborating with ice' becomes a death sentence . If you're so unconcerned with hanging innocents congrats, you're the fascist now

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That is, in fact, exactly how some revolutions with good intentions turned into nightmares far worse than the evils they were revolutioning against.

If you’re going to punish someone, you need to prove they did something wrong. 100% of the time. It doesn’t matter if you “already know” and it’s frustrating to have to go through this slow process where they get to fight back. It doesn’t matter if you’re “on the right side” or whatever. That whole thinking needs to go right the fuck out the window, even if it is satisfyingly simple in the moment.

Edit: To bring some specifics to it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_White_Terror

And so on. It also happened in China, the USSR, lots of places. The structures of law are fragile and slow, and just executing the person that someone accused of being a former ICE agent is easy. Until someone with a grudge accuses you, or your family...

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The "reign of terror" by the jacobins was infinitely less bloody than the permament actual state of terror the ordinary people lived in during that time, but of course since ordinary people have no voice they don't matter, it only matters when some goody noble aristocrats get hanged.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They killed thirty thousand people. It was only that small because eventually a counterrevolution killed off all the people who were defining who lives and dies according to what side you're on, and then instituted a reign of terror equally bad.

I wasn't making any point about the Jacobins. I was making a point about arbitrarily killing people without due process. I didn't expect anyone to come in and say "come on it wasn't that bad and anyway look at this other time when things were bad, so who cares," because of who it was holding the axes, but you do you.

I've been learning a lot about how the .ml people look at politics and life, and it honestly makes it make a lot of sense why communist revolutions so reliably start slaughtering people like leaves in autumn once they get control. Once "your side" is always right, and everything has to be twisted around and perceived that way, why wouldn't you?

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’ve been learning a lot about how the .ml people look at politics and life, and it honestly makes it make a lot of sense why communist revolutions so reliably start slaughtering people like leaves in autumn once they get control.

Yeah man whatever you say 😂

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 3 weeks ago

You messaged me, my good gentleperson, I'm just responding