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by Caitlin Johnstone
Jul 18, 2025

It’s 2025. Israeli soldiers are telling the Israeli press that they’re being ordered to massacre starving civilians trying to obtain food from aid centers. Countless doctors have been telling the world that Israeli snipers are routinely, deliberately shooting children in the head and chest throughout the Gaza Strip. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and all the leading genocide experts and human rights authorities are saying that a genocide is being perpetrated in Gaza. The New York fucking Times just published an op-ed by a Zionist genocide scholar who’s finally admitting that it’s a genocide.

There’s no way to deny what this is anymore. If you still support Israel in the year 2025, it’s not because you don’t believe Israel is committing horrific atrocities. It’s because you believe those horrific atrocities are good, and you want to see more of them.

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[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Israel government is especially bad but i would like to extend this to pretty much any government around the world. The genocide in gaza is possible only thanks to the support and aid of other states.

If you're still supporting your government in 2025, there's something wrong with you as a person, you are most likely too selfish and don't care much about others.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

No, no. This is on Israel and the USA. The states fighting the genocide are treated as pariah states by the USA, committing acts of war against them (Iran, Yemen, Syria). Other countries have full hands against the most moronic idea of a president of the USA ever, whether in reality or in fiction, trying to protect their people. At some extent European countries should be ashamed too of their role in this, but honestly, they are just vassals of the USA which is ultimately the only one who can stop this without risking a war against a superpower.

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

No. European countries and complicit Arab countries do not get a pass. The only government you should support are those that go directly against the genocide such as Yemen, Iran, Hezbollah.

Hell, I've been a huge China simp for years, but even Chinas "neutrality", even while leaning towards support for Iran, tows the line for me. European countries aren't even neutral.

"We have to support a genocide because....cheeto?" Isn't an excuse, especially when they supported the genocide the same way under Biden.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

I think the USA is finally loosing strength and change is coming, but still no one wants to mess with them. The two or three countries that may have a chance against them, are not fond of this idea. No one real is willing to stop Israel right now, because it is in fact a protectorate of the USA, but that doesn't mean they support the genocide. Time is a luxury as well as a necessity right now.

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The only government you should support are those that go directly against the genocide such as Yemen, Iran, Hezbollah.

Can we simply agree that there's no good government out there? You don't have to support one of them, support the people.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Get that anarchist bs outta here lmao

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Go ahead and point out any government in the world that is up to good and doesn't treat its people like shit, also explain why supporting the people over a government is bullshit.

[–] sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am going to horizontally expand in your ass

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We are in a thread about a genocide, you should try to be more serious.

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I could have said the same to you.

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz -2 points 1 week ago

Please go ahead and highlight any comments that are out of place.

[–] sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Says the person with the deeply facetious ideology

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz -1 points 1 week ago

Do you consider arguing we should not support the governments of Iran or Yemen "deeply facetious ideology"? I'm not sure what it means but to me it sound like you are on some deeply facetious ideology yourself.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Other countries have full hands against the most moronic idea of a president of the USA ever, whether in reality or in fiction, trying to protect their people.

Funny how that translates to the same exact pro-genocide stance they had under Biden.

At some extent European countries should be ashamed too of their role in this, but honestly, they are just vassals of the USA

So they're just following orders?

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I know the genocide can be stopped by the USA, any other country may or may not.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They certainly can stop supporting it

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sure they can. It's not like the USA gives two fucks, anyway, like they have been doing for decades against Cuba, always supported by their little racist experiment.

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Cuba is less important to the empire than Israel is. Otherwise the us would have invaded it ten times by now.

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago

They cannot because they are not designed to. Euro countries can only stop supporting israel once the americans remoce their military bases, their think tanks, their NSA information centers, their digital control over european finance (yes the big three digital giants basically have full acess to the entire european economy).