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It is hard to refute statements like this. In essence this is saying that the ruling parties of USSR and China are self serving apparatus citing their corruption and brutality as the reason. His claim is that they are not real Marxist Leninists but at the same time we don't know what his vision of real Marxism Leninism looks like because apparently the interviewer and the interviewee did not think having a reference point would be nice. The difficulty in refutation comes from the fact that it leaves a lot to the imagination. Is China especially corrupt and brutal to its workers? There is obviously some corruption and some poverty still exists but I cannot overstate how much worse things could have been if you compare it to actually non-socialist countries like India and South Africa. Can you imagine India-level wealth inequality with the absolute total wealth that China has? It would be like nothing we have seen before. So they could be doing a lot worse too. You can absolutely say that following Deng's doctrine has led to corruption but the benefits of being able to build productive and technological capacity are immense and undeniable. (I would say it was necessary too but Maoists disagree with this.) There is also the factor of China not constantly descending into a more and more capitalistic makeup. The corruption problem was much worse in the Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao eras but was somewhat reigned in Xi era. This is not what I would imagine a constant erosion of the socialist character would look like.
His words here shouldn't be given much weight here. Maybe he expands on it in other parts of the interview?
You're right, he does expand on this in part 2, and those are valid criticisms even if I wouldn't agree with the conclusion that the soviets were just a bunch of beurocrats who wanted power for powers sake: