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Ok so explain how costing citizens more public funds for repairs helps their cause and doesn't just alienate everyone?
What they are is right-wing plants, trying to make trans groups take the fall for their idiocy. It's clear as day.
Emiline Pankhurst and the suffragettes were terrorists, and even called themselves terrorists. They won that fight didn't they despite plenty of reactionary "someone please think of the taxpayer" cowards.
They did not win. Again, the WSPU completely abandoned its campaign with no results on the outbreak of war. Pankhurst had already moved on to ethno-nationalist politics by the time the vote was extended. In any case, the Suffragette version of the franchise excluded working class men and women, as Pankhurst didn’t think they would vote in the Empire’s interest. Even when Women got the vote it wasn’t in the way the WSPU wanted.
What's your point? Direct action doesn't work because unless your results align 100% with your initial goals?
My point is that in modern Britain, violence hasn’t been a route to any “freedom”
"But can't you see that protesting won't change anything, so why even bother", the antiprotestors loudly protested.
Jesus fucking Christ. This will cost you less in your tax bill than the state's support for the famine in Gaza.
People need to make a fucking point. Let them.
I don't live there, so I don't really give a fuck. What I give a fuck about is groups like these giving the actual people they're "defending" a bad name.
And yet you keep commenting.
But that's not what you fucking said is it. You said that they are costing taxpayers. So why would you give a single solitary shite about that if it's not your taxes? Where do you live? Why are you weighing in on this as though you do live here?
Offices are paid for centrally by a Parliamentary agency. Local taxes going to local things isn’t a thing in Britain.
You're the absolute fucking opposite of a "witty" whatever the fuck. Messed up that username something bad if you can't even fucking read a comment. Here, I'll paste it again for you.
"Ok so explain how costing citizens more public funds for repairs helps their cause and doesn't just alienate everyone?
What they are is right-wing plants, trying to make trans groups take the fall for their idiocy. It's clear as day."
I even highlighted the important parts, in case your crayon filled nose is covering up the phone. Looney tunes motherfucker.
Absolutely incredible. The front of you to put that edit in then gaslight as though it was there when I wrote my comment.
That's a very good point you make.
You're a bad troll, you could use your time to do good you know?
Had to go get your alt account, huh?
Why don't you doubly fuck off then.
You've made my point my guy
Username checks out.
Good point, when has using violence to protect yourself from the state, which is oppressing you through violence, ever helped?
Ohh, right. That is the only way oppressed people's have ever won their freedom.
Not really true though is it. No disenfranchised group in Britain ever gained the vote through violence. Indeed, violence was counterproductive, and it was peaceful dialogue which won out every time.
Are you fucking serious? You really think this is going to pass through undetected?
WOMEN.
Women literally gained the vote through violence. Check your facts before you vomit your opinions all over the internet and masquerade it as analysis.
Maybe I should repeat that.
The Suffragette campaign was a total failure.
It was abandoned in 1914 shortly after the outbreak of war, with the WSPU turning its efforts to the recruitment of soldiers for Empire. By November 1917 Emmeline Pankhurst had changed tack and now operated within the political system, founding the Women’s Party (with a manifesto commitment to require all civil servants to provide verification of race purity for national security). This was obviously well before the Representation of the People Act 1918 extended the franchise to the first women, and the Act of 1928 making suffrage equal. By this time of course, the senior Suffragettes were mostly getting well stuck in to the British fascist movement.
As to their methods, they had the effect of poisoning the political world and the public against the vote. The painstaking work done over many years by the Suffragists to build consensus in Westminster was obliterated by the violence. Things weren’t helped much by the murder of two naval sailors, two attempts to assassinate the Prime Minister, and a prolonged letter writing campaign aiming to hound all Jewish MPs out of office.
As for the public, the arson campaigns focused on sporting pavilions, schools and hospitals. In many towns vast crowds turned out to burn down the local Suffragette office in retaliation. Bombs were left on commuter trains (making the TfL’s decision to name a line after them hilarious), attempts were made to blow up a canal to flood a town, and an attempt to demolish the biggest sorting office in the country with 200 workers inside. One of the aforementioned attempts to kill the PM was to burn down a crowded theatre. These seemingly confirmed the opinion of those who claimed women were too unhinged to trust with elections.
Most at the time who weren’t Suffragettes agreed that they had put the cause back by decades, and it was only a catastrophe the scale of a world war that put it back on track.
Yeah, and that's why women now have the vote.
Or perhaps Parliament just felt like making those changes for no reason?
Yes, the “no reason” that occurred 1914-18, and the decades of consensus building by the Suffragists. The Suffragettes had abandoned their agitation in 1914, then completely disbanded in November 1917, as I said to allow Pankhurst to focus on setting up an ethno-nationalist political party. The bill to extend the vote to the first women passed in February 1918, three and a half years after the violent campaign had concluded.
Reading comprehension of a 3rd grader. Worse, perhaps.
Definitely mentally challenged by the looks.
You might want to spend an hour combing through the words of the comment you decided to ignore, so you might have a chance of understanding your own, sheer, and utter, idiocy.
The comment I "ignored" (written after mine, so I don't know how you expected me to take it into account) was a biased reading of history. To claim the suffragettes were "a total failure" and that the suffragists would have succeeded if they hadn't existed is complete conjecture. Your resorting to insults shows how weak you believe your argument to be.
Are you sure about that? Unless you've got some historical or political credentials, I'm going to assume you just haven't heard of it being successful. Peaceful dialogue is rarely the start of things. It happens after you make it known that without it, there will be consequences.
OK, so there were the militias on the streets of Britain that convinced the government to retain Northern Ireland, but this is a remarkable outlier, and Britain is noted for being good at getting ahead of things, of bending rather than breaking, and of avoiding the connection between insurrection and change.
For example, while armed insurrection was the mark of Europe in 1848, the Chartists were simply petitioning Parliament. There were outlier bands of Chartist insurrectionists, but not official and they were suppressed very quickly. The Chartist demands were not immediately adopted, but most eventually were, as a result of the engagement from within the system over an extended period, and the recognition that incremental change would lessen the desire for revolution.
We see the same again with Women’s suffrage, where the violent Suffragettes were a total failure and even a negative force, while the peaceful Suffragists, working within the system, came closer to effecting change. Ultimately it was the upheaval of the war which brought change.
Quickly looking through the guidelines, it seems the public wouldn’t fund damage costs.