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I guess I've always been confused by the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Physics and the fact that it's taken seriously. Like is there any proof at all that universes outside of our own exist?

I admit that I might be dumb, but, how does one look at atoms and say "My God! There must be many worlds than just our one?"

I just never understood how Many Worlds Interpretation was valid, with my, admittedly limited understanding, it just seemed to be a wild guess no more strange than a lot things we consider too outlandish to humor.

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[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago (3 children)

There isn't any "proof"; in fact, Many Worlds is what's called "unfalsifiable", which means we don't have a way through the scientific method to show Many Worlds to be false.

Also, it's not really

My God! There must be many worlds than just our one?

But more

There are moments in time where one path is taken and not another... but what if all paths are taken, somewhere?

It's not meant to be a valid theory, it's just a possible outcome of having a spacetime continuum; because it's not falsifiable though, it's not worth pursuing right now, only worth keeping in mind in case we come across new evidence to evaluate.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Many Worlds is what’s called “unfalsifiable”, which means we don’t have a way through the scientific method to show Many Worlds to be false.

That's not actually true

For one thing, any experiment which demonstrated objective collapse (which aren't just possible in theory, they've actually been performed) would falsify MW.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm aware of the double slit experiment and its variations, but I probably do misunderstand Many Worlds to at least some degree; how does wave collapse prove Many Worlds to be false?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, under Many Worlds, wave function collapse isn't a real "thing"; it's just an illusion caused by the observer becoming entangled with the wave function. Objective Collapse theories, however, propose a real physical mechanism of wave function collapse. If that's true, and there was found to be a real mechanism of collapse, then MW would be impossible, because the wave function would collapse before any "branching" could happen.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And what is there to stop the collapse from being the branch point? In one world, it collapses one way; in another, another. There doesn't seem to be any inconsistency there.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Well, because under Many Worlds, the wave-function not collapsing is the reason there are multiple branches; the wave function is the multiverse. So if the wave function has collapsed into a single, definitive state, then there is only a single, definitive universe.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Sorry, that doesn't prove that there's not actually Many Worlds out there. The whole point is that there would be a single, definitive universe state for every possible valid configuration after wave-function collapse. The reason it's unfalsifiable is that it cannot be proven currently whether or not it's a literal plurality of alternate worlds. I would also argue that if there's but one "definitive universe" state then it's not really a Many Worlds theory at all, but just a different theory of the Universe.

I'm not saying you're wrong, or that this interpretation of Many Worlds is wrong - I'm just saying we've not yet developed a way to prove it one way or another. And if we did develop that technology to prove it one way or another, that would in itself unlock a whole new world of questions to answer. Thinking about what those questions might be is worthwhile science, in my view.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems like it's splitting hairs and saying the "many worlds" part of MWI doesn't count, as that is only a prediction not postulated.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No? I'm not sure how you got that from my comment

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm taking about the linked page.

[–] Legianus@programming.dev 2 points 10 hours ago

I mean, to be fair that is what the linkes page says, but people are misunderstanding the hypothesis everyone calls many worlds (also what the page says) as Many worlds is just a follow up of the theory not the theory itself.

Like Einsteins Relativity didn't say in the theory that we would be able to predict Mercury's orbit, but it comes from it.

[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 0 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

You can probabilistically prove the many worlds exist, because it implies quantum immortality. Just connect a short-half-life Schrödinger mechanism to a nuclear bomb, and some of you will survive for a statistically impossible number of half lives. That version of you will have proven the many worlds to be true.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Right, and you can find out what it looks like beyond the event horizon of a black hole by just throwing a probe in that can survive the approach. Mind you, you're not getting any information back out of the black hole, but it'll be there in the probe's databanks regardless. I suppose you can have it back over the span of the rest of the black hole's life; though, you'll need to record everything else coming out of it and somehow cohere all that information back together in the right order.

Which is only about as difficult to get anything scientifically useful from as your probabilistic proof machine. Both involve lots of radiation though, so they're basically the same thing! (👉゚ヮ゚)👉

[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 1 points 13 hours ago

Except you might be the version who survives!

[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 1 points 13 hours ago

Except you might be the person who survives!

[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 1 points 13 hours ago

Except you might be the person who survives!

[–] VoterFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think it proves many worlds any more than it proves you have a fairy godmother manipulating quantum states for you. All you've done is shown an unlikely occurrence happened, not what caused it.

[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 1 points 4 hours ago

All you've done is shown an unlikely occurrence happened...

That's all science is. Collect data, and show how it's unlilely unless your hypothesis is true. Five sigma later, and you've made a discovery.

[–] Wigners_friend@piefed.social -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Great answer, but it unfortunately is taken seriously. The reason is because it is an "end of the road" hypothesis. It tells you all the weirdness is fundamental and no further thought is required. Just like good old Copenhagen. The unfalsifiability is a virtue here, it's a complete explanatin without the messy testing. Now stop thinking, shut up, and calculate.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be clear, the reason Many Worlds hypothesis exists in the first place is because it's a possible solution to the calculations. It's not that someone just came up with an idea to get out of doing real work. It's just unfortunate when the universe puts multiple possible solutions out of reach of experimentation. But hey, there was a long time of history where virtually any belief about the composition of the moon was considered unfalsifiable.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

but it unfortunately is taken seriously

Why is that unfortunate? It's an extremely well justified theory.

It tells you all the weirdness is fundamental and no further thought is required.

I'm not sure why you say this? If anything, that's a description of Copenhagen, which MWI is a response to.