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[–] tgirlschierke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

On men being natural leaders, I've read that the stereotype of "men as hunters" is somewhat ahistorical when it came to actual hunter-gatherer societies. So it makes me wonder, when exactly did that idea come about?

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Victorians. They had a rather jacked up view of history

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's worse. Much worse than that.

It's the 1960s.

The 1966 books Man the Hunter is pretty much the origin story of the whole assumption of an evolutionary division of labor where males hunted as providers and females gathered and cared for children.

For a change we can't even blame the Victorians. We can blame the Age of Aquarius.

[–] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Why would anyone ever blame the Victorians for anything?

They brought us wonderful things such as steamships and child labour!

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago

don't forget the drugs. oh the drugs

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 3 points 1 day ago

I know, it was a shock to me too. The people who originated most of the toxic "sciences" that put white men on top weren't actually to blame for an incredibly toxic faux-scientific theory. Very rare.

I've been reading "Daily Life in Victorian England" by Sally Mitchell recently and everything I read as a big social improvement necessarily implies that this is not how it worked beforehand.

Factory Act limits working day to 12 hours for people under 18. Employment of children under age 10 is prohibited. Textile mills could no longer employ children under the age of nine.

[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago

That's really interesting

[–] tgirlschierke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The answer is usually around the Industrial Revolution, but I feel like this was way earlier.

[–] Malgas@beehaw.org 2 points 17 hours ago

It's kind of crazy how much baseline pop history can be traced back to "some Victorian dude made it up".