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Hey, new federated user from Hexbear here
(hexbear.net)
Just curious how many of you are cool with this deeply racist image being the header for one of your comms
Sorry, I'm not quite sure how a picture mocking a specific person for something other than race is racist, let alone deeply so.
It's not even someone they like, they just use it for easy trolling just like in this thread.
Edited to add: don't feed the trolls by responding to anyone from hexbear. Just use your Lemmy client's features to block the user or the instance. Connect on Android has great blocking features.
he's literally in my dm's right now laughing at you
when a majority white community mocks a chinese man by comparing his appearance to a yellow bear, it's a little weird
The comparisons were first made in China, actually. The only reason we even know about the comparison is because he got so offended by them, and we keep doing it because he's upset by it. It's more about shape than colour, especially since Xi Jinping tends to wear trousers.
Hello Susaga! I'm going to repost a comment I made a few hours ago, in this instance:
"Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist.
Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now.
And there are historical precedents of this kind of racism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril"
Could you demonstrate that transformation with other examples from here? Other asian people being compared to other yellow characters? Or has it remained specifically one person compared to one character?
Are bears a common racist stereotype for asians? I havent seen it
It's specific to Xi Jinping. Chinese memelords started it in ~2013, and the country's censors were so offended by it that the Streisand Effect kicked in.
Okay putting you down as being okay with it. Got it ty
I'm okay with it because it's not racist. What is there in this picture to not be okay with?
The racism
What racism? You have yet to explain what's racist about this picture. I am willing to accept that I'm wrong and I'm just not seeing it from the right perspective, but you have to be willing to explain why rather than just condemn.
You don't see why tinting an Asian person's skin yellow is racist? Would you say the same thing about this?
Alright, I can see that. Not deliberate, as they also tinted his suit red to heighten the comparison to Winnie the Pooh, who also has a yellow face, but I can see your perspective now you've actually given it. Deeply racist is absolutely a stretch, though, but "kinda racist" is absolutely correct.
Oh well as long as you're absolutely sure the obvious racism wasn't deliberate it's okay
It's not obvious! You posted a picture of a dictator with accidental racist undertones, called it deeply racist, and condemned anyone who didn't agree with your perspective as racist, despite not actually giving your perspective! To most of us, we see "dictator" before we see "asian guy". You're not attacking the picture, you're attacking the people on the same server as the picture. You being so quick to condemn makes it look like you're defending a dictator more than amending injustice, and being so hesitant to explain your reasoning makes you look like a troll more than an activist.
You're a terrible representative of your own argument.
Damn you just didn't "see" the racism so therefore it cannot be problematic. But since President Xi is a "dictator" that must mean that people who are calling me out for racism must be the ones at fault because they're protecting a big evil man. Most people "agree" with you so therefore it must be "not racist".
I can tell you never worked through dismantling racist imagery that wasn't spoon fed to you by a 24/7 news entertainment cycle.
But now that I've given you my perspective, you unequivocally condemn this racism, yes?
I condemn you, actually. Yes, the picture is poorly thought out and needs revision, even though it was designed for reasons other than racism. That's what you should have said. But you didn't want to fix the picture, you wanted to condemn everyone on this site for not condemning the picture.
What a contemptible piece of shit instance we got federated with this time. Fuck this place. Look at this asshole. Acting all fucking wounded because they weren't coddled during the agonizingly slow process of them finally admitting that putting a world leader representing over a billion people in yellow face MIGHT be SLIGHTLY racist ON ACCIDENT. As if the feelings of the person committing the offense are the most important consideration in explaining their offense to them. The fucking entitlement.
I don't buy your bullshit. It's not only racist, it's deliberately racist and not only that but deep down you fucking know it as well. Just ask yourself: what's the fucking point of the caricature in the first place? To be insulting, right? It's an otherwise beloved childhood character though, isn't it? So why has the west latched onto it so strongly? To mock his appearance, right? It's a yellow fucking cartoon bear. Why are you acting coy about it? It's not about his weight. It's not that he has the facial features of a bear. No one makes pictures depicting him as Yogi or Baloo. It's his race.
Well ideally, everyone here would agree this is problematic. But instead a whole bunch of people jumped in to defend it to the death
They jumped in to defend themselves. That's what happens when you attack them. If you attack the thing and not the people, they don't get so defensive.
No one attacked anyone. OP asked how many of you were cool with this image. All you have to do is say "actually no, that image is fucked up" and suddenly you're not under attack. In order to interpret this post as anything remotely similar to an attack on your character, you have to first decide that you're cool with racism.
Interesting that people here are interpreting an attack on racism as an attack on them personally. Wonder why that is
You didn't attack racism. You attacked people because there was racism nearby. Anyone who asked for an explanation was then called racist. You attacked people personally.
I'm sure you're going to go now and make sure that there is no longer any racism around you to confuse people
We accept that this image can be interpreted as racist, if one is unaware of the origin and original meaning of said image.
Gotcha. Another for pro-racism. Man, y'all love this stuff over here
See, this is why I condemn you.
You seem to find it much easier to condemn me than racism
Well, you're much more present here than the racism.
Fascist troll pretending to be a leftist.
We don't love racism, we just hate you :) go have a nice life literally anywhere else.
Don't waste your breathe with these tankies man
That’s a reach lolol. Did Pooh Bear put you up to this? Promise a bump on your social credit score if you’d go online and say anyone that calls Xi Winnie the Pooh is racist?
It’s not yellow because he’s Asian you raging edgelord, it’s cause he’s Pooh Bear, and Winnie the Pooh is yellow.
Go back to licking your authoritarian, human rights abusing quasi-dictator’s boots ya fop.
Winni the Pooh is yellow...
And Xi Jinping, a Chinese man, is not. Perhaps this will help you understand the issue
No? Youre just concern trolling? You knew this was never about racism?
Are you gonna respond to anyone pointing out the obvious reason hes depicted as winnie the pooh? And why no other asian person is?
In what way is it racist? Is there a particular ethnicity which is commonly depicted as Winnie the Poo?