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Because it's too complicated. It would be too long of a list for people to remember and its too difficult to prove the harm of individual ingredients and they're probably almost all fine in moderation.
Look at where we are now with saturated fats: Every major health organisation in the world says they're linked to cardiovascular disease and should be limited in diets, and meanwhile hordes of people who've read a pop science book or watched a YouTube video think they know better and can eat all the fat they want.
We've tried going against fat, we've tried putting the sugar, fat and calories and packaging, people know about calories in, calories out, and yet obesity never stops growing.
UPF is about the manufacturing process. The idea is that it isn't going to include the things that you make in your kitchen from whole and processed ingredients, but it does include the cheap easy to overeat stuff cooked up by food manufacturers.
Also I'm not aware of anyone who says you should eat no UPF whatsoever. It just shouldn't be a huge part of your diet.
Because it’s too complicated we should put out bad information instead?
We should flag known problems, a common thing you see in other countries is foods labeled with excess calories, excess sodium, and/or excess added sugar. Those would be a much better use of our time then an arbitrary overly broad system that falsely flags some food as unhealthy and unhealthy food as healthy
So the UK has exactly the kind of labelling you're talking about and they're one of the fattest countries in Europe. Guess what, they also eat one of the highest proportions of UPF.
What food are you actually talking about that gets falsely flagged as unhealthy?
I have been listing things for a while but anything with whey protein or any form of flavor extract. But as a whole there is no knowledge on which upfs are bad as they lump everything together
400 calories of cup noodles is counted as equal as a 400 calories of a protein shake
The reasons for this make for interesting reading, when you have the time.
Hello.
This is actually incorrect, and I'm happy to make a new post about it if you want to have a discussion. Saturated fat, or animal fats, are very healthy and not causal with cardiovascular risk. What fats exist that aren't saturated? Industrial oils! The highly processed foods we have been discussing are exactly what's being pushed by the crusade against saturated fat
I'll add my voice to this too. You should eat no UPF whatsoever.
You do you, but I'm happy to enjoy an ice cream once in a while.