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Zionism is a hardcore Atheistic ideology.
That's just simply not true, not only most of jewish zionists claim to be religious and uses religious arguments for zionism but also the bulk of christian zionists are evangelical fanatics.
Zionism is flexible, it started out secular but it changed over time to better cater to the audience (religious Zionism).
These aren't inherently contradicting because the central theme of zionism is and will always be ethnonationalism + fascism. As long as those aspects remain, zionism can be whatever it needs to be to cater to its audience.
Agree, i never said zionism is caused solely by religion, i just think that classifying zionist as "atheist" movement is simply not true when it have such significant religious following and motivations. Also "secular" is much better word than "atheist" here.
Yeah, calling it atheist was genuinely stupid.
Judaism as a religion believes that they will be led to the promised land by the return of their messiah. Zionists decided to cut that part out, defy their scripture and do the return part by themselves. Zionism sees Jews as purely a race.
Zionism at its very essence is completely Atheistic. Its father Theodor Herzl was an Atheist.
So you tell judaists they are atheists because they do not fit in your definition of judaism? Are you even judaist?
Knowing things does not require adhering to them. Also I forgot to link the article with my previous post here it is
https://archive.is/dptFy#selection-1085.0-1103.592
Herzl himself says he was an Atheist. As did most of the Zionist founders. Consider doing some reading.
And this make entire movement, nowadays heavily supported by religious fanatics from more than one religion suddenly atheists? At most you could say it had secular roots. Again, i'm not saying religion caused zionism, but atheism also didn't.
Atheism 100% caused Zionism. It was 0% religious Judaism 100% Atheism. As you can read the German Jews fully opposed Zionism in its early days.
The most influential ideology for early Zionism was Socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Zionism
It was mostly by Jabotinsky who pushed Zionist Revisionism as a way to increase the amount of colonists that it turned into the weird incoherent mix of religious and Atheist Jews that you see today. And the Israeli-British pogroms committed around the Middle East to push Jews to go to Israel.
What a ridiculous statement. Being founded by an atheist (if Herzl even actually was one - he was clearly non-religious, but many non-religious people are not atheists) is quite different than being caused by atheism.
That's true my choice of words here was not entirely correct. It should have been "Atheists 100% caused Zionism." That might explain where the confusion comes from.
Gotcha, good to know it's not imperialism and nationalism but atheism that caused zionism. /s